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Re: new sparky/frigate radar jam

2012-07-07T15:57:03+02:00

Cerberus wrote:
To be honest, and blunt. I think the new system is much worse then the old one. Maybe I cant wrap my head around it, maybe I don't like change. I thought the first system was fine just how it was. and just because you spend 'x' amount of time making something, doesn't mean you should include it, even if it is worse, for the sake of having spend 'x' amount of time making it. All the changes up to this point have been balancing the game, and not changing it or adding new things, this is something that was not in, or planned to be in the original game. This is the only thing that i disagree with, out of the entirety of this amazing experience. I'm just wondering if anyone else shares my view.

I do, and especially agree about not too drastic changes. The jamming was ok, couple frigates in fleet masked real size, so scouting didn't hurt.

In its current state it needs fixing anyway. Friendly holograms can be assisted, this makes it hard to move units or you accidentally tell engineers to assists holo instead of fac. I'm thinking it will cause lag too in big games, frigs still usefull lategame and it doesn't help if 1 unit is 10 units.

Also, jamming now uses 20 e, which I think is way too much. Can really do without added babysitting turning frig jamming off in low-energy situations.

Statistics: Posted by rabidradish — 07 Jul 2012, 15:57

Re: new sparky/frigate radar jam

2012-07-07T14:04:35+02:00

I will think of it for 3616. It's a matter of killing the land units only when you are on transport.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 07 Jul 2012, 14:04

Re: new sparky/frigate radar jam

2012-07-07T12:57:53+02:00

First:

new jamming is cool.

second:

make it active during transport again. Dunno why you turned it off

Statistics: Posted by Pavese — 07 Jul 2012, 12:57

Re: new sparky/frigate radar jam

2012-07-06T16:55:06+02:00

There's an attribute on weapons called "TargetCheckInterval". This tells the weapon how frequently is should look for new targets, other than what it's trying to shoot at right now. If the target check interval is 1, then it will check every 1 second for targets that are higher on its priority listing and if it find one in range, it will stop shooting its current target and start shooting the new one.

However, TargetCheckInterval also affects stealth. If a weapon starts shooting a target, and then that target goes under stealth/fog, that weapon will keep shooting at the target (even though the unit is stealthed) until it rechecks its target. If a weapon does a target check, and it's current target is stealthed/under fog, it stops shooting.

For example, uef battleship main guns have targetcheckinterval of 3. They can keep shooting for 3 seconds after a unit goes under stealth.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 06 Jul 2012, 16:55

Re: new sparky/frigate radar jam

2012-07-06T11:32:03+02:00

That's the idea.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 06 Jul 2012, 11:32

Re: new sparky/frigate radar jam

2012-07-06T11:15:01+02:00

for example could be improvement for stealth that enemy is losing targets when in stealth. so far when you gave attack order it does not matter is enemy is in fog or stealth or something else. the unit are following endless. would be great if they lose targets when enemy is disappearing in stealth.
if you can realize this then you improved cybran nation a lot and this jamming thing is okay. and finally we can call stealth nearly equal to shields. or what was your suggestion to improve stealth?

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 06 Jul 2012, 11:15

Re: new sparky/frigate radar jam

2012-07-06T10:37:03+02:00

That's a problem with stealth, not jamming. Some improvement to stealth are planned.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 06 Jul 2012, 10:37

Re: new sparky/frigate radar jam

2012-07-06T09:04:38+02:00

the old system was fine because it was attracting shots on radar and once enemy was in vision area they disappeared thats what we call worse than stealth. the new system eats all the time cooldowns of weapons turret turn speeds and is still aktive in vision area. means it is better than stealth. uef has shields, they should not have something better than stealth!
cybran = no shields but stealth
UEf = medium shields and light radar disturbing facility which stops when in vision radius can be countered easy
aeon = strong shields no reconnaissance disturbing at all
sera = monster shields same like aeon

you see even stealth which should be much better can be countered by a t1 scout plane. this great new uef thing you cannot counter with a t1 plane you cannot counter it at all. i would call it even imba dispite the fact that this effekt itself is maybe not deciding a game.

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 06 Jul 2012, 09:04

Re: new sparky/frigate radar jam

2012-07-06T08:09:16+02:00

Can you explain what is it worst ? I've explained why it is better in my opinion.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 06 Jul 2012, 08:09

Re: new sparky/frigate radar jam

2012-07-06T00:53:44+02:00

To be honest, and blunt. I think the new system is much worse then the old one. Maybe I cant wrap my head around it, maybe I don't like change. I thought the first system was fine just how it was. and just because you spend 'x' amount of time making something, doesn't mean you should include it, even if it is worse, for the sake of having spend 'x' amount of time making it. All the changes up to this point have been balancing the game, and not changing it or adding new things, this is something that was not in, or planned to be in the original game. This is the only thing that i disagree with, out of the entirety of this amazing experience. I'm just wondering if anyone else shares my view.

Statistics: Posted by Cerberus — 06 Jul 2012, 00:53

Re: new sparky/frigate radar jam

2012-07-04T14:03:17+02:00

good point zep...it's continuous too, rather than disappear completely once a visual is establish

Statistics: Posted by NubFriedRice1988 — 04 Jul 2012, 14:03

Re: new sparky/frigate radar jam

2012-07-04T09:21:46+02:00

jamming should be a very light version of stealth and SHOULD be not so good like stealth. it worked in all existing versions so far attracting shots before scouting and was fine. i will be neutral to the new system since i ve never seen in in action so far but it sounds interesting.

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 04 Jul 2012, 09:21

Re: new sparky/frigate radar jam

2012-07-04T09:03:22+02:00

To be more precise :

The old system was messing with the radar, but in a very dumb way. From my test, you need less than 3 seconds to detect a jamming pattern with 100% accuracy, and once scouted, it doesn't do anything.
In resume : plain useless.

the new one doesn't mess with radar (it was annoying) nor a visual user detection, but with the AI. So, even it's easy to detect, you need still need some time to give specific orders to your units to defeat it, and every time they are in range of something.
So, more usefull (and potentially OP).

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 04 Jul 2012, 09:03

Re: new sparky/frigate radar jam

2012-07-04T08:56:58+02:00

Yes.

But again, the argument in the balance forum was that it requires brain time to defeat the holo system messing with the AI.
Brain time is a more valuable ressource than anything in this game.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 04 Jul 2012, 08:56

Re: new sparky/frigate radar jam

2012-07-04T08:43:46+02:00

you could just target the sparky with the turret...the pd does shoot at the holographic units, but they don't show up on the radar...so you basically know that it's shooting at units that don't exist

Statistics: Posted by NubFriedRice1988 — 04 Jul 2012, 08:43