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Re: Projekt_I, Break_V3, and x6 in ladder....

2016-10-03T16:51:17+02:00

Zock wrote:
So what about a few quick replays to show it?

Sure, when I get home I'll post. Can't access replay while away.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 03 Oct 2016, 16:51

Re: Projekt_I, Break_V3, and x6 in ladder....

2016-10-03T16:40:58+02:00

So what about a few quick replays to show it?

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 03 Oct 2016, 16:40

Re: Projekt_I, Break_V3, and x6 in ladder....

2016-10-03T16:33:57+02:00

x6 is fine I guess, but the other 2 have issues : /

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 03 Oct 2016, 16:33

Re: Projekt_I, Break_V3, and x6 in ladder....

2016-10-03T16:23:05+02:00

x6 is ok but the civs are kinda bugged, I don't think they have enough pgens. It would be cool to have an x6 with a redesigned mid area.
Break is fine and I never saw problems on Project but I wasn't using mantis.

this? Is arty sometimes not shooting really game breaking, since it's shooty extremely random anyway? And is it not possible for some mapper to add an e storage to the map? Or even redesign it a bit to fit 1v1 a bit more. I already wrote in the thread that I expected someone to do it, and that i'll replace it if it won't happen soon, so if that's the only issue, there is no issue.

I can announce the maps I'd choose earlier next time though, and then people can test them before they get implemented. I didn't expect (and still don't honestly, we all know how it works with testing, but i'll be glad to be surprised and It doesn't mean we shouldn't at least give the possibility) that there'd be much help.

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 03 Oct 2016, 16:23

Re: Projekt_I, Break_V3, and x6 in ladder....

2016-10-03T16:14:12+02:00

Zock, if you need help doing testing of the maps please ask about it in slack messages or something. I'm sure JaggedAppliance, myself, Tokyto_, IceDreamer, anyone would be happy to evaluate the maps.

Just because you have not seen these bugs do not mean they don't exist. Jagged didn't think there was an issue earlier in the thread and then after more play realized it's worse than he anticipated.

Please understand that help is here and if it's not utilized to alleviate your busy schedule problems will arise. It's very unsettling that you are not willing to listen to the pleas of others.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 03 Oct 2016, 16:14

Re: Projekt_I, Break_V3, and x6 in ladder....

2016-10-01T19:01:34+02:00

I tested all maps and had no unusual issues. (Apart from the broken spawns, that were fixed asap) I didn't test them extremely in-depth, no. I'm not running thousands of tests to check if units can potentially get stuck somewhere (and this is FA, where units have the impressive capability to get stuck pretty much everywhere) But break v3 for example was suggested in the thread. Everyone was able to give feedback on it for a long time, no one said it's a bad map, and I didn't want to just put in maps I consider good, but also take some of the suggestions. When saw it first I thought its crap, played it a few times, and then liked it more because it brings some variety. No unusual pathfinding issues whatsoever, hills? Yes. Many maps have hills where you can't build and units shoot in the ground. On most maps it gets just less of an issue when the map is known and it doesn't surprise you anymore. No one complained about syrtis major. Then again, i wouldn't have picked break just by myself, i didn't even know the map. The hills are actually somewhat marked by decals.

Haven't encountered any issues on project either when I played it. It has many narrow passages, so you can't expect too much, but it was ok. More issues can always show later, if we want to have less played and unknown maps thats bound to happen once in a while. But everyone can test the suggestions in the thread or make better ones.

x6 has the lacking energy storage, but it is far from game breaking. If anyone does an updated version for it, it'll be instantly replaced. If not, it'll be replaced too, but I hoped someone might bother to update it. There aren't too many maps that are somewhat suitable for 1v1 in the first place.

Arguing about which map is good or bad can be done to no end but won't lead to anything. If there are any game-breaking, seriously unfair or unusual high amount of bugs, any map will be removed though. But someone have a unit stuck once in a while is not enough, how about some replays instead of ranting? Ranting has never accomplished anything.

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 01 Oct 2016, 19:01

Re: Projekt_I, Break_V3, and x6 in ladder....

2016-10-01T17:18:19+02:00

We should not be changing any maps based on people not liking the gameplay. New meta have to evolve, and sometimes the best test of real skill is how a player adapts to something new.

BUGS on the other hand are unacceptable. A map can be new and hated if it wants, but it has to actually... Work...

Come orn Zock, change broken maps out pronto

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 01 Oct 2016, 17:18

Re: Projekt_I, Break_V3, and x6 in ladder....

2016-10-01T16:24:28+02:00

Dear Mozart,

Thanks for calling me bs and now it's confirmed I was correct

Your welcome

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 01 Oct 2016, 16:24

Re: Projekt_I, Break_V3, and x6 in ladder....

2016-10-01T14:19:21+02:00

...speaking of having someone in charge of ladder maps who gives minimum about of shits to take a look at map and/or test it in sandbox at least before throwing into rotation
But yes, if Zock's standarts are this low then im not sure if i have a right to complain. Maybe we could avoid issues like wrong spawn positions at the very least.

Statistics: Posted by Mad`Mozart — 01 Oct 2016, 14:19

Re: Projekt_I, Break_V3, and x6 in ladder....

2016-10-01T13:54:46+02:00

so about break v3

was playing some 1v1 with ithilis
hes known for hosting some unknown shitmap never before seen by humans
hosted some map, i took one look at it and thought it was pretty retarded (impact crater not ugly at all), but w.e. could be worse i guess
started playing, realised its got totally fucked lighting and pretty much invisible hill at the top corner where i was
somewhat weird where you get to middle and reclaim, but w.e. its 5x5 so not too much choice here in terms of gameplay
looks like desert arena but green i guess, and also with totally awful tree placement. nice.

cos of ithilises epic map choices i like to complain about maps to him, so i start doing that
and then ithilis tells me this was in ladder pool. i was quite surprised, this is normally the quality of map would he host, and not the quailty of maps people would actually play.

so yeah i guess great job on picking that ladder map pool.

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 01 Oct 2016, 13:54

Re: Projekt_I, Break_V3, and x6 in ladder....

2016-09-30T23:27:18+02:00

Played a bit more of project and yeah the terrain is pretty fucked.

Statistics: Posted by JaggedAppliance — 30 Sep 2016, 23:27

Re: Projekt_I, Break_V3, and x6 in ladder....

2016-09-30T07:41:41+02:00

Honestly i rather civ walls then units getting stuk on terrain, but the walla would have to divide flats and mountains, not flats and slightly lower flats :s

Statistics: Posted by biass — 30 Sep 2016, 07:41

Re: Projekt_I, Break_V3, and x6 in ladder....

2016-09-30T06:52:31+02:00

Now imagine the map would have walls, people would go totally mad!

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 30 Sep 2016, 06:52

Re: Projekt_I, Break_V3, and x6 in ladder....

2016-09-30T03:44:08+02:00

Forsaken Research base or whatever it's called is nice 1v1 map.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 30 Sep 2016, 03:44

Re: Projekt_I, Break_V3, and x6 in ladder....

2016-09-30T01:08:34+02:00

i'm only against civ that are bugged on every civ map.
And as i said bug come from their lack of an e storage. even if you have pgen, on 0 e storage, shield and radar have difficulties to be up, and goes down randomly

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 30 Sep 2016, 01:08