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Re: WTF with ACUS... Less Regen, HP and BP?

2016-09-07T01:48:44+02:00

I have been watching some replays in the past few days, and I don't believe the claims that the ACU is paper now are legitimate. The higher ranked players still use them for frontline battle all the time, and the ACUs still pwn regular units like there is no tomorrow.

There were several replays, that support my claims, but the most convincing for me was a game played by Zock himself. He went full rambo, acquired all five veterancy stars for his ACU and had 77 kills at the end of the game, killing three ACU's with his rambo ACU aswell as loads of T2/T3 units and grouped T2 pd, which was deemed impossible in this very thread.

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Statistics: Posted by JMorten — 07 Sep 2016, 01:48

Re: WTF with ACUS... Less Regen, HP and BP?

2016-09-06T03:16:02+02:00

This isn't the main problem...

Everyone is complaining about the nerf in the wrong way...

Good-bye t3 com drop, we will miss you dearly.
I now have to drop you with an extra t3 engie.
You have 4000 + 35t less HP.

I think I might never com drop again...

Statistics: Posted by Freedomfighter — 06 Sep 2016, 03:16

Re: WTF with ACUS... Less Regen, HP and BP?

2016-09-05T17:58:45+02:00

guys the t2 and t3 upgrade to ACU where never "buff" I dunno what the hell you guys have been smoking but the ACU has always been paper even without the recent nerfs.

it's bewildering to me how people who seemingly have a decent or even deep knowledge of this game can somehow reason their way out of "this is the worst idea I have ever had by far".

It's easy computing every stat of the game = ACUs are paper and t2 and t3 are one of the weaker upgrades. gun is massively overused and gun users didn't need their back rubbed.

I'm really bewildered by the amount of bullshittery.

I'm all for supporting the devs and letting things play out and wait and try and all that but this doesn't even require theory crafting. this is a metaphysical certainty this a scientifically proved fact. nowhere was there EVER a need for t2 and t3 upgrade nerf other than a gun upgrade abuser's wet dreams who wasn't satisfied with that 5.0 KDR and dreamt of 10.0

hope that KDR doesn't become hard to attain when you're left with some 500 active players and they all employ your strategy.

Statistics: Posted by tatsu — 05 Sep 2016, 17:58

Re: WTF with ACUS... Less Regen, HP and BP?

2016-09-05T02:53:18+02:00

NapSpan wrote:
There are choices that are more possible than other ones, you still being able to upgrade your ACU and go ahead against firebases, but now is more difficult to success in that way. Again is like if I want to destroy walls with T1 tanks, I can and it works, but meh...there are better ways. Anyway, call it change in meta and go on, try to survive until next patch where Titan will be balanced (muajajajaja, I said balance Titan, I'm evil).

If u wanna use other ways to do that, it's your choice. Not everyone.
What you afraid for? If is a suicidal movement for your enemys, and u don't make this kind of strategy, why u are bother with?

Statistics: Posted by Destructor — 05 Sep 2016, 02:53

Re: WTF with ACUS... Less Regen, HP and BP?

2016-09-04T11:33:14+02:00

There are choices that are more possible than other ones, you still being able to upgrade your ACU and go ahead against firebases, but now is more difficult to success in that way. Again is like if I want to destroy walls with T1 tanks, I can and it works, but meh...there are better ways. Anyway, call it change in meta and go on, try to survive until next patch where Titan will be balanced (muajajajaja, I said balance Titan, I'm evil).

Statistics: Posted by NapSpan — 04 Sep 2016, 11:33

Re: WTF with ACUS... Less Regen, HP and BP?

2016-09-03T17:57:45+02:00

No matter how is your game style.... U still have a choice to play like u want, it's freedom, it's is your choices.
Now i'm forced to play how team balance desires, they took my liberty!
i'm a player that love to play many hours with my ACU on the front, to get more mass, map control, and break enemy firebases with overcharges.

taking huge risks, but happy with it, and game allow to counter it with many ways too.
Dozen times i was killed doing it.
It's the reason that not are any logical argument to nerfs ACUS, it's completly possible to counter them.

Statistics: Posted by Destructor — 03 Sep 2016, 17:57

Re: WTF with ACUS... Less Regen, HP and BP?

2016-09-03T11:34:02+02:00

And defensive style being boring is YOUR opinion, to me there is nothing best than bunker up and kill tons of enemy units with static positions, but I dont do it because is not a viable strategy, so stop saying is the way we will have to play because is not true, just l2p in other way.

Statistics: Posted by NapSpan — 03 Sep 2016, 11:34

Re: WTF with ACUS... Less Regen, HP and BP?

2016-09-03T01:45:31+02:00

Defense now is not best. You have to know the right time and place to attack as well as you have to know when and where to defend. First can be achieved by scouting, second - by T2 radar.

And about the shield... Well, nerf to ACU buildpower is good because it was a bit too fast a builder.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 03 Sep 2016, 01:45

Re: WTF with ACUS... Less Regen, HP and BP?

2016-09-03T00:25:22+02:00

viewtopic.php?f=67&t=13059
I'm trying to find a solution

Think....
We dont able to shield up faster, even a BP they cut.

Defensive ways now are best than agressive, it's make games boring, not just FA, but every game.
Look at VANNILA... Supreme Commander 2... and soo many other RTS games.

Statistics: Posted by Destructor — 03 Sep 2016, 00:25

Re: WTF with ACUS... Less Regen, HP and BP?

2016-09-03T00:12:01+02:00

Men, you can upgrade UEF ACU with Nano (the old one) and gun with normal T1 eco (maybe 1 T2 mex to speed up things a bit), and shield with T2 pgen, if your enemy reach T3 while you are doing that, you need to l2p (no offense), just try to improve without using ACU. And yes, UEF has the best ACU to do stuff, Nano (again, the old one) is really usefull in combat, shield make it fucking hard to kill, and if you like glass guns go for billy and nuke stuff as there is no tommorrow.

Statistics: Posted by NapSpan — 03 Sep 2016, 00:12

Re: WTF with ACUS... Less Regen, HP and BP?

2016-09-02T17:26:44+02:00

Sooo... i'm forced to chose seraphin too? No man... They taking our freedom to choose many things with main unit of the game.
I'm telling that now we spent much more time to upgrade all things to do a decent ACU push, when u are ready, they have t3 bombers and u will die.
Even a T2 bombers u cant hold now with this nerf of build power, more time to up a single shield.

I hate when RTS games force everyone to do the same things with no choice.
On the past... on team games... Even with last regen, veterancy, BP, and all status people die trying to be rambo far from his main base, because the game are much things to couter atacks, now, ACUS are made with paper.

Its a completly nonsense.

Statistics: Posted by Destructor — 02 Sep 2016, 17:26

Re: WTF with ACUS... Less Regen, HP and BP?

2016-09-02T15:21:48+02:00

Destructor, nerfing T2/T3 suites was another (unnecessary) way of nerfing turtles. If you want a powerful offensive ACU, go Seraphim double gun, double nano com and wreck all units up to and including T3, go for gaeon double gun, double shield com, which can wreck even some experimentals or go for early UEF rambo (the easiest to get) - shield, gun and nano.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 02 Sep 2016, 15:21

Re: WTF with ACUS... Less Regen, HP and BP? WTF!!!

2016-09-02T11:28:48+02:00

Well, yes, moreless all gap players are noobs or lazy to play in real maps where you have to worry about more than one place,
play in real maps and you will see that you dont have to destroy every single firebase since there are more than 1 way to the enemy base, and if your enemy built firebases everywhere you can smash him as you will since he wasted resources.

Statistics: Posted by NapSpan — 02 Sep 2016, 11:28

Re: WTF with ACUS... Less Regen, HP and BP? WTF!!!

2016-09-02T02:28:57+02:00

With T2 too, u can take more damage and regen more fast.
And u are allowed to make some PDT2 on the front to get and hold positions.

After make t2, 1.30 min, u upgrade gun less than 15 seconds with 2 engs assist.

Statistics: Posted by Destructor — 02 Sep 2016, 02:28

Re: WTF with ACUS... Less Regen, HP and BP? WTF!!!

2016-09-02T02:14:59+02:00

Why do you go for t2 on 10x10 maps and not gun? If you have gun, 1) you outrange and oneshot gaeon Aurora; 2) you kills units faster; 3) because of #2, you gain veterancy faster. Higher vet = higher regen.

What do you get from T2? Extra 1500 HP and higher buildpower. So if you want to pull a PD creep - go ahead. But if you plan to be on the offensive - do not get T2. If you can allow yourself to get gun + T2 - great, if you can take just one of those - take gun.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 02 Sep 2016, 02:14