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Re: UEF is not very versatile ?

2016-08-28T16:04:11+02:00

TheKoopa wrote:
Eh, I was referencing more the other people who tried to turn it into another Titan thread

The Titan is a UEF unit, and a difficult one to use. So it is perfectly appropriate to be talking about it here. Especially for someone who is new and learning to 'UEF'. The OP needs to understand that the unit is very limited and should not be build except in rare circumstances.

The fact that every thread here does seem to turn into a Titan one is simply testament to the fact that nothing at all has been done about this obviously underpowered unit.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 28 Aug 2016, 16:04

Re: UEF is not very versatile ?

2016-08-28T15:58:11+02:00

Mr.Tabasco wrote:
Thanks for all these nice answers. Especialy all the quite long and elaboratebposts. Especialy Hawkei and Plasma. Didn't thought anyone would realy care.

I will definitly use your advises, and of course blame all future mistakes on you

And yes Keyblue, there is some irony to it, when you think of the monkey as just a huge canon on legs. However, there is this nice thing that it is hard to detect and with its tremendous damage always a nasty surprise. I always have to think of a hidden knife when using it.
The "you shall not pass" link is great, reading through it.
As for the Titan discussion, I have noticed it before, but realy a lot of people here seem to have an unhealthy obsession with it. Maybe a fetish?

@Koopa: I was merely asking if my observation was correct, and how I can improve. If that is already complaining, then I am terrible sorry.

Eh, I was referencing more the other people who tried to turn it into another Titan thread

Statistics: Posted by TheKoopa — 28 Aug 2016, 15:58

Re: UEF is not very versatile ?

2016-08-28T11:06:06+02:00

Thanks for all these nice answers. Especialy all the quite long and elaboratebposts. Especialy Hawkei and Plasma. Didn't thought anyone would realy care.

I will definitly use your advises, and of course blame all future mistakes on you

And yes Keyblue, there is some irony to it, when you think of the monkey as just a huge canon on legs. However, there is this nice thing that it is hard to detect and with its tremendous damage always a nasty surprise. I always have to think of a hidden knife when using it.
The "you shall not pass" link is great, reading through it.
As for the Titan discussion, I have noticed it before, but realy a lot of people here seem to have an unhealthy obsession with it. Maybe a fetish?

@Koopa: I was merely asking if my observation was correct, and how I can improve. If that is already complaining, then I am terrible sorry.

Statistics: Posted by Mr.Tabasco — 28 Aug 2016, 11:06

Re: UEF is not very versatile ?

2016-08-28T09:00:46+02:00

biass wrote:
use janus like a gunshit

dont fly it over flak thinking the flak wont hit it and you will be fine

also yes 10) acu is a fukken tank man maybe even best acu

Janus deal with flak a lot better than Gunships. 2 Janus bomber passes = 1 dead flak... So make sure you have 2x the number of Janus as he has Flak, spread them out to come in on different vectors. Que the attack orders, and the Shift+G. Flak is dead, send in the gunships. The same thing works with Corsairs - only they are much better at doing this.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 28 Aug 2016, 09:00

Re: UEF is not very versatile ?

2016-08-28T08:48:29+02:00

use janus like a gunshit

dont fly it over flak thinking the flak wont hit it and you will be fine

also yes 10) acu is a fukken tank man maybe even best acu

Statistics: Posted by biass — 28 Aug 2016, 08:48

Re: UEF is not very versatile ?

2016-08-28T08:41:28+02:00

LichKing2033 wrote:
7) Janus are weak against land and air. For their cost, they cannot earn it back very well.
...

The main concern with Janus is that they are not very good at sniping singular targets. Due to changes in the bomb drop code they tend to drop their napalm over a very wide area - and these bombs can be avoided by dodging. So while the Janus hopeless for killing singular targets (ACU's) they can lay down enough area damage to obliterate ground armies in the T1 and T2 phase of the game... So they are excellent for anti-spam.

All add to the above point that their AA gun is the best in the T2 fighter bomber class. Being able to 2-shot-kill T1 interceptors. When properly controlled, and provided with interceptor support, a microed wing of Janus can eliminate interceptor top cover and then decimate ground forces. So, when you consider the ground damage, or air damage in isolation it isn't a cost effective. But when you consider that it can be doing both at the same time, it is.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 28 Aug 2016, 08:41

Re: UEF is not very versatile ?

2016-08-27T20:28:58+02:00

1) Striker is not the best tank. It is the best meat shield though
2) Yes.
3) Yes.
4) Microed Mongoose is deadly af, yes.
5) And ACUs
6) Yes.
7) Janus are weak against land and air. For their cost, they cannot earn it back very well.
8) Probably yes.
9) Strong vs. land, no air defense BUT at that stage one rushing Broadswords should have enough air to cover them.
10) Meh. Sure.

To the thread's creator:
Yes, UEF's versatility is less than Cybran. But when you have a proper mix of units, they are deadly (e.g. Strikers and Lobos = com killing combination, Pillar and Sky Boxer is excellent for steam rolling, Mongoose + scout + micro = Aurora killer.).

This thread has run its course.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 27 Aug 2016, 20:28

Re: UEF is not very versatile ?

2016-08-27T20:35:03+02:00

Alright so here we go again, another thread of u1000 rated players complaining about a faction.

1) Strikers are an extremely powerful unit. They have the highest damage and hp out of all of them.

2) Pillars are also extremely strong due to their easiness to rush and spam because of their cheapness.

3) Percivals are self explanatory

4) Mongoose require a high amount of units, but when they get rolling they start absolutely wrecking

5) Lobo is quite nice vs pd and other buildings

6) UEF interceptors are arguably the strongest because of the alpha they have

7) Janus are janus

8) Their ASF is also arguably the strongest because of their high hp and alpha

9) Not to mention an incredibly strong t3 gunship

10) Their acu is also strong due to the extra hp and shield which you don't have to give up ras for

Statistics: Posted by TheKoopa — 27 Aug 2016, 17:57

Re: UEF is not very versatile ?

2016-08-27T16:26:33+02:00

tatsu:
Beta had a toggle on Selen which allowed it to stand still and cloak itself (and selen had radar while moving). Current FAF has selen without radar when moving, only when it is static. IceDreamer called it a bug and said it will be fixed pronto.

Hawkei:
I meant Ilshavohs. My games typically do not last into land experimental stage

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 27 Aug 2016, 16:26

Re: UEF is not very versatile ?

2016-08-27T13:55:27+02:00

LichKing2033 wrote:
Seraphim chickens are rushable and powerful. I play 50% sera, 50% UEF. Seraphim needs Selen fixed. Beta had it well with that toggle, no idea why it was not passed.

Are you talking about the Illshavoh, or the T4 bot? Because The T4 bot is generally called the Chicken.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 27 Aug 2016, 13:55

Re: UEF is not very versatile ?

2016-08-27T12:42:36+02:00

LichKing2033 wrote:
Seraphim chickens are rushable and powerful. I play 50% sera, 50% UEF. Seraphim needs Selen fixed. Beta had it well with that toggle, no idea why it was not passed.

what toggle? plus i think I should make you aware of the seleen deselect mod if you aren't already. it's a very very good mod

but this is kind of my point. now sera is only worth it for t1. if the game is a t2 one you're bound to die/gonna have a hard time. with t3 you can stand back up for a bit. but really overall sera feels like the faction pros use to show off. basically like playing with a handicap. don't even get me started on their navy.

Statistics: Posted by tatsu — 27 Aug 2016, 12:42

Re: UEF is not very versatile ?

2016-08-27T03:11:32+02:00

Seraphim chickens are rushable and powerful. I play 50% sera, 50% UEF. Seraphim needs Selen fixed. Beta had it well with that toggle, no idea why it was not passed.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 27 Aug 2016, 03:11

Re: UEF is not very versatile ?

2016-08-27T01:08:10+02:00

Iszh wrote:

the sera part is unfortunately no longer true. tough luck making ilshaviohs stand out from other t2 nowadays.

sera is seriously in dire need of some balance love.

i'm willing to trade in Zthuee firepower and speed for an added unit or two or some kind of other buff because right now you only play sera if your either dumb or noob. no faction should be useless or completely defunct.
I say this with nomads in mind.

Statistics: Posted by tatsu — 27 Aug 2016, 01:08

Re: UEF is not very versatile ?

2016-08-26T22:03:37+02:00

zeroAPM wrote:
You heard the boss(es)!
Titan is fine and doesn't need a buff. End of story. Get over it.

When did they say this?
The biggest problem with the Titan is not it's DPS, or it's HP. The biggest problem is this:

Spoiler: show

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 26 Aug 2016, 22:03

Re: UEF is not very versatile ?

2016-08-26T21:55:38+02:00

It does. What good is a unit that has no chance against its own tech? None. Titan-Loyalist balance was fixed in my mod, get over it.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 26 Aug 2016, 21:55