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Re: How random is the 1v1 map rotation?

2016-06-09T18:42:38+02:00

briang wrote:
This entire thread just had no need to go this far. There are algorithms in place and they work, despite individual experiences people might have. This should have been locked ages ago.

It seems to me that TA likes to challenges things, just for the intellectual quality of the question in and of itself.

In this case, maybe someone will be curious too and run the numbers to see if TA actually should play Poweball or whatever low odd lottery game when and if that happens, this thread will be a good place to post the results.

For other people, it's an opportunity, true randomness aside, to discuss whether or not the system should be tweaked to avoid repetitions. Why do you care if it's not locked, it's not like the forum is crawling under so many new threads that it absolutely needs active locking of stuff...

Personally I don't mind at all playing twice a map in row, three times in a row becomes a bit of a bore though. So I wouldn't mind an artificial twice in a row max limit

Statistics: Posted by Zoram — 09 Jun 2016, 18:42

Re: How random is the 1v1 map rotation?

2016-06-09T18:23:48+02:00

This entire thread just had no need to go this far. There are algorithms in place and they work, despite individual experiences people might have. This should have been locked ages ago.

Statistics: Posted by briang — 09 Jun 2016, 18:23

Re: How random is the 1v1 map rotation?

2016-06-09T18:17:22+02:00

SeraphimLeftNut wrote:
Nice to see Lextoc back, backing me up..., will probably call me a fag soon.

That's provocative and uncalled for. Might just do it because of that haha

Statistics: Posted by lextoc — 09 Jun 2016, 18:17

Re: How random is the 1v1 map rotation?

2016-06-09T18:02:08+02:00

i had a look at the last 750 ladder games played ( with the api) and it seems reasonably random to me:

Spoiler: show

tbh i checked because i felt that sometimes i got some maps too many times in a row, but judging by the numbers it seems to be alright - atleast on a global level.

Statistics: Posted by yorick — 09 Jun 2016, 18:02

Re: How random is the 1v1 map rotation?

2016-06-09T17:59:48+02:00

lextoc wrote:
I think this thread comes down to a feature request being a non-repetitive random ladder. Now the real question is, who wants it?

I've got TA's back 100%, playing the same map can be extremely annoying.

Nice to see Lextoc back, backing me up..., will probably call me a fag soon.
However I never actually asked for something to be changed. All maps on the ladder are good enough(except maybe 1) to play many times in a row(unless you are uef on small water maps, however with enough micro the torpedo boats are unbeatable)
Also Blodir is right that it is sometimes nice to get the same map in a row, especially if you are a newer player trying to learn some basic bo. This is one of the arguments for not having a 50 map ladder rotation.

Statistics: Posted by SeraphimLeftNut — 09 Jun 2016, 17:59

Re: How random is the 1v1 map rotation?

2016-06-09T17:46:43+02:00

Sheeo wrote:
If, however, enough people feel this, we could do what Apple did with iTunes back in the day and make it less truly random by removing repeats. We've had this discussion before.

YES

I don't play ladder anymore because of this, the rating inaccuracies, etc; so if one less thing is present maybe I'll start again.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 09 Jun 2016, 17:46

Re: How random is the 1v1 map rotation?

2016-06-09T17:46:20+02:00

Pretty sure ive seen ta get like 10 loki in the row before. I used to get EOTS like ~5 times in a row every 2nd day when i played ladder actively. That is also the main reason i stopped.

Statistics: Posted by Petricpwnz — 09 Jun 2016, 17:46

Re: How random is the 1v1 map rotation?

2016-06-09T17:43:15+02:00

I think this thread comes down to a feature request being a non-repetitive random ladder. Now the real question is, who wants it?

I've got TA's back 100%, playing the same map can be extremely annoying.

Statistics: Posted by lextoc — 09 Jun 2016, 17:43

Re: How random is the 1v1 map rotation?

2016-06-09T17:15:25+02:00

Swol wrote:
It's been a while since I've done any probability but TA, seems you are considering an 11 game sequence? But given the amount of ladder games you've played have you not run that 11 game sequence many, many times?

The question I am asking is how likely is that 11 game sequence and how many games would I need to play to expect to see that 11 games sequence 1 time. THe answer is about 70000 if you don't specify that it is rivers repeating and about 1000000 if you specifically say rivers.

Statistics: Posted by SeraphimLeftNut — 09 Jun 2016, 17:15

Re: How random is the 1v1 map rotation?

2016-06-09T16:10:13+02:00

It's been a while since I've done any probability but TA, seems you are considering an 11 game sequence? But given the amount of ladder games you've played have you not run that 11 game sequence many, many times?

Statistics: Posted by Mel_Gibson — 09 Jun 2016, 16:10

Re: How random is the 1v1 map rotation?

2016-06-09T14:00:08+02:00

Ive just expressed my opinion, its up to player councillor....wait nvm, there's not any

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 09 Jun 2016, 14:00

Re: How random is the 1v1 map rotation?

2016-06-09T12:51:44+02:00

speed2 wrote:
Getting same map twice is annoying, three times in a row is "jast pure bullshit" and it makes me quit. I dont think it would hurt ladder thqt much if you could not get the same map for next 5 games. Cause you get same map at least twice in a row way too often

But is it for you to decide it tho?

Sheeo wrote:
If, however, enough people feel this, we could do what Apple did with iTunes back in the day and make it less truly random by removing repeats. We've had this discussion before.

I've seen this answer to exact same question quite some times before. Looks like majority of people are fine or even like playing same maps x times in a row/day.

Statistics: Posted by Mad`Mozart — 09 Jun 2016, 12:51

Re: How random is the 1v1 map rotation?

2016-06-09T08:24:02+02:00

It's cool because you warmed up on the map

It's bad because i'm trying to play UEF and i'm getting EOTS 5 times in a row

Statistics: Posted by biass — 09 Jun 2016, 08:24

Re: How random is the 1v1 map rotation?

2016-06-09T08:21:06+02:00

Am I the only one who likes getting the same map twice in a row?

Statistics: Posted by Blodir — 09 Jun 2016, 08:21

Re: How random is the 1v1 map rotation?

2016-06-09T07:37:29+02:00

It is frustrating to be called the victim of clustering illusion over and over, when I specifically showed that my analysis and conclusions are counter to the clustering illusion. I will have to think of a more thorough way to present this. It seems the internet is full of people overusing the concept of clustering illusion without fully understanding it. Even the wiki page about clustering illusion can't keep the first two sentences consistent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion
The second sentence should read "overpredict" and not "underpredict".
With regard to this topic. I don't mind playing rivers all day, as long as it is not against the same opponent that consistently beats me.

Statistics: Posted by SeraphimLeftNut — 09 Jun 2016, 07:37