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Re: FA has worst campaign?

2016-03-23T00:02:45+02:00

Any Campaign mission in SupCom (vanilla or FA) is easy because it uses the checkpoint mechanic with expanding maps, new enemies and new objectives once you have met your previous objectives. All you have to do is fight the opponent down during but NOT finishing the objective in order to get more time and to build up. Let's say you have to destroy 7 buildings in opponent's base - you only destroy 6 and everything else he has and then build up until you reach unit limit and THEN destroy the last building. Using this method you can beat any mission on any difficulty level with the possible exception of mission those few segments that have a timer of sorts.

However, there is an easy solution: Just set yourself a time limit for each mission! Or better yet, play as you wish and note down the ingame time it took, then try to beat that in your next run.

As for the story, vanilla had probably the better one (and it had actually 3 very different campaigns, one for each faction), however, as has been said, the first 4 missions of each campaign were more like tutorials and you didn't get the big toys up until the last mission. Whereas in FA you only have 6 missions total but each of them has epic proportions and you start with a full arsenal of units including experimentals you know from vanilla.

Statistics: Posted by Puschkin — 23 Mar 2016, 00:02

Re: FA has worst campaign?

2016-03-04T19:12:09+02:00

Exotic_Retard wrote:
Beam wrote: is that you literally turtle and build up an army.

oho
you should try speeds coop missions then.
they are a little bit harder.

http://forums.faforever.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=11868&p=121153#p121153 enjoy.

I was going to try one but (in the thread) it said not to ask any questions unless you have already read the read me, I couldn't find a read me anywhere...

Statistics: Posted by -Axiom- — 04 Mar 2016, 19:12

Re: FA has worst campaign?

2016-03-04T04:00:39+02:00

speed2 wrote:
Well it's true that there were bit more time limits in vanilla missions but it was not everywhere. You also had a lot of time for turtling.

If you want I can add time limits to most of the FA missions as well ^^ I would also make sence

Could you do that please? I need a challenge for FA.

Statistics: Posted by Beam — 04 Mar 2016, 04:00

Re: FA has worst campaign?

2016-03-04T00:16:28+02:00

speed2 wrote:
2/3 of vanilla campaign was just a tutorial, unit introduction. There were no challenge at all. And difficulty was far easier than in FA.

And that part too much of trust was put into one colonel cause first mission is basically saving last UEF military command. There wasn't too much left from UEF.

And if you compare how Arnold died in vanilla (even though he didnt die) to how Dostya dies, bit different cases. Arnold had problems with fw T1 T2 units!! Supreme commander Arnold...

I think a lot of that was Gameplay and Story Segregation. The original campaign wanted to have its epic moments throughout the campaign even if you were playing with T1 units. It's jarring if you already know how the units are supposed to act but what "really" happened isn't what was being shown to us on screen.

Statistics: Posted by everywhere116 — 04 Mar 2016, 00:16

Re: FA has worst campaign?

2016-03-03T17:21:25+02:00

I second playing speed2's co-op missions. One of them is voiced phenomenally-well ; )

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 03 Mar 2016, 17:21

Re: FA has worst campaign?

2016-03-03T10:57:13+02:00

Well it's true that there were bit more time limits in vanilla missions but it was not everywhere. You also had a lot of time for turtling.

If you want I can add time limits to most of the FA missions as well ^^ I would also make sence

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 03 Mar 2016, 10:57

Re: FA has worst campaign?

2016-03-03T08:29:40+02:00

Beam wrote:
I've played the original game, and it had a phenomenal story, game play, and music. How every, FA had a minimal story, and the campaign was unbearable.

In the first mission, the only challenge is yourself. Not the enemy, but forgetting to defend yourself from the GC that comes later on. As long as challenge issues (The campaign was still easy on hard.), the story is laughably worse. The first thing a character warns you about is a casual "-Ah hell, gunships incoming." Oh no, mister! The UEF might fall if I don't gate! Please pay more attention to your job instead of playing on your Iphone. I've also seen how they put too much trust into one colonel to do suicide missions for them. That's probably why Dostya died in the first place. Which brings up another point: WHY CAN'T WE MOVE PAST THE BLACK BOX? I know that it is there to make you focus on one objective at a time, but it gets annoying sometimes. One time, when I finished an objective on Operation Meltdown, the black box never moved, and I was stuck there forever.

The plot is unbearable. It just uses plot devices that create more questions. What happened to
Spoiler: show
Princess Burke after the Rift closes? Or how about Kael's fate?

When I first played this game, I didn't even pay attention to any errors. But now, after experiencing developers trying to get away with being lazy, I've become strict with what makes a game good. And FA is far from it.

you should try Speed2's Sera mission, that is whole new level of difficulty

Statistics: Posted by ZeRen — 03 Mar 2016, 08:29

Re: FA has worst campaign?

2016-03-03T06:15:00+02:00

Statistics: Posted by biass — 03 Mar 2016, 06:15

Re: FA has worst campaign?

2016-03-03T06:10:34+02:00

Is "Little" sarcasm?

Statistics: Posted by Beam — 03 Mar 2016, 06:10

Re: FA has worst campaign?

2016-03-03T05:37:11+02:00

Beam wrote:
is that you literally turtle and build up an army.

oho
you should try speeds coop missions then.
they are a little bit harder.

http://forums.faforever.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=11868&p=121153#p121153 enjoy.

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 03 Mar 2016, 05:37

Re: FA has worst campaign?

2016-03-03T05:09:27+02:00

Moved to General Forums

Statistics: Posted by TheKoopa — 03 Mar 2016, 05:09

Re: FA has worst campaign?

2016-03-03T04:55:15+02:00

speed2 wrote:
2/3 of vanilla campaign was just a tutorial, unit introduction. There were no challenge at all. And difficulty was far easier than in FA.

And that part too much of trust was put into one colonel cause first mission is basically saving last UEF military command. There wasn't too much left from UEF.

And if you compare how Arnold died in vanilla (even though he didnt die) to how Dostya dies, bit different cases. Arnold had problems with fw T1 T2 units!! Supreme commander Arnold...

That's a good point. But the main problem with the FA campaign, is that you literally turtle and build up an army. If you want a "challenge", you can play without shields, but it's still easy. I just don't like how they encourage turtling.

Statistics: Posted by Beam — 03 Mar 2016, 04:55

Re: FA has worst campaign?

2016-03-03T02:26:56+02:00

2/3 of vanilla campaign was just a tutorial, unit introduction. There were no challenge at all. And difficulty was far easier than in FA.

And that part too much of trust was put into one colonel cause first mission is basically saving last UEF military command. There wasn't too much left from UEF.

And if you compare how Arnold died in vanilla (even though he didnt die) to how Dostya dies, bit different cases. Arnold had problems with fw T1 T2 units!! Supreme commander Arnold...

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 03 Mar 2016, 02:26

FA has worst campaign?

2016-03-03T01:55:18+02:00

I've played the original game, and it had a phenomenal story, game play, and music. How every, FA had a minimal story, and the campaign was unbearable.

In the first mission, the only challenge is yourself. Not the enemy, but forgetting to defend yourself from the GC that comes later on. As long as challenge issues (The campaign was still easy on hard.), the story is laughably worse. The first thing a character warns you about is a casual "-Ah hell, gunships incoming." Oh no, mister! The UEF might fall if I don't gate! Please pay more attention to your job instead of playing on your Iphone. I've also seen how they put too much trust into one colonel to do suicide missions for them. That's probably why Dostya died in the first place. Which brings up another point: WHY CAN'T WE MOVE PAST THE BLACK BOX? I know that it is there to make you focus on one objective at a time, but it gets annoying sometimes. One time, when I finished an objective on Operation Meltdown, the black box never moved, and I was stuck there forever.

The plot is unbearable. It just uses plot devices that create more questions. What happened to

Spoiler: show

When I first played this game, I didn't even pay attention to any errors. But now, after experiencing developers trying to get away with being lazy, I've become strict with what makes a game good. And FA is far from it.

Statistics: Posted by Beam — 03 Mar 2016, 01:55