Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Nominations for the new Councillors

2016-06-16T23:35:07+02:00

Legion Darrath wrote:
That post is dated march 2015. The amount of work that has been done since then is huge even though it might not be directly visible to you. Claiming that you were lied to is insane, especially when you consider none of the donations from the frontpage go directly to the devs.

At any rate this thread has run its course.

That post is still true. I get motivated by people engaging in this community and putting effort into it. That's all that post said though, and I don't understand what exactly has been lied about.

Anihilnine wrote:
Plot twist: Sheeo is Ze_Pilot

Funny, but, kind of not funny at the same time.

Morax wrote:
Sheeo, do you really truly want to make this game great and work well?

Lot of rumors people are coming in to take over and pass it along.

What is the deal?

What happened?

In my hopes, you are the one who succeeds and makes this great. I don't want someone else to take it up.

We're an open community and I'm not some kind of dictator locking in anything, nor am I holding anyone back with my lack of time -- those who have the ability and will to spend time on evolving the game are fully able to do so. I really don't understand why you're insinuating what you are here.

Since this thread is locked, you won't be able to reply. Feel free to send me a message in PM or catch me some time in IRC.

If this misunderstanding is a broad theme, I'll gladly do an AMA.

Statistics: Posted by Sheeo — 16 Jun 2016, 23:35

Re: Nominations for the new Councillors

2016-06-16T20:47:09+02:00

That post is dated march 2015. The amount of work that has been done since then is huge even though it might not be directly visible to you. Claiming that you were lied to is insane, especially when you consider none of the donations from the frontpage go directly to the devs.

At any rate this thread has run its course.

Statistics: Posted by Legion Darrath — 16 Jun 2016, 20:47

Re: Nominations for the new Councillors

2016-06-16T20:32:08+02:00

It would make me happy to see things move smoothly and show appreciation that receives a response like this again. I just don't know if I'll trust these guys again. There is nothing wrong with that given the events that have happened, but there is hope...

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Statistics: Posted by Morax — 16 Jun 2016, 20:32

Re: Nominations for the new Councillors

2016-06-16T20:27:32+02:00

briang wrote:
IMO pony up some cash on a patreon for Sheeo or find someone who is willing to put in a higher volume of work than he is for free before you start whining.

ALready did that, briang:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9613&hilit=donations+are+going+where

Ionic and I both contributed $100 a piece to test the waters and after being neglected and lied to, at least I, decided it's not really a good idea to donate anymore.

I was all up for donating money in intervals of time to support people and say a little more than "thanks," but lying and dragging your feet on something doesn't really equate to a good response.

I'm still hoping Sheeo can turn around a bit and show what he can do, but who knows...

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 16 Jun 2016, 20:27

Re: Nominations for the new Councillors

2016-06-16T20:00:29+02:00

Alright guys you can calm down now or I start deleting posts

Statistics: Posted by TheKoopa — 16 Jun 2016, 20:00

Re: Nominations for the new Councillors

2016-06-16T19:57:39+02:00

Zock wrote:
Sorry, where did i praise sheeo or harass anyone for not doing it? There is a difference between critic and public which hunting of people that put in their free time, not approving of the later doesn't mean i am about to start a personality cult. Things are not as we'd like, but it's still better than nothing. What do you want to do, say how fed up you are with him until he quits, or just kick him now because he isn't doing his "job", and then...then what?

So what did you mean then with your sarcastic tone in message i quoted before? Tell me again it was not harassing after people complained. I could see exact same response when someone would raise a concern in aeolus about something. Often people would tell them off with "they are doing it in free time so piss off" and just disregard the concern. Kinda same thing you there too. Also no, you havent started a personality cult, you're just following it.

And again i want to mention that i do not intend to go around blaming sheeo or someone else here. But in current light of events looks like i cant avoid it. Some time ago i used to talk to people about issues or working out some ideas (mainly for ladder) but since i dont code i found it somewhat impossible to contribute. Because every time people were pointing at sheeo saying we need his approval to do this or that, we need to wait till he uploads a new version, or comes home and clicks some button. Well you see where are we know, so to answer your last question i rather just quit myself.

Statistics: Posted by Mad`Mozart — 16 Jun 2016, 19:57

Re: Nominations for the new Councillors

2016-06-16T19:43:53+02:00

I don't see anybody who is complaining ready to put money forward to commission someone to do the work that Sheeo has done (almost exclusively) for free. Maybe I care less because I don't play anymore but with a more objective stance it seems that expecting someone to do this shit for free is just mind-numbingly stupid. ZeP didn't do it for free, where do you think donation money that wasn't used to pay for the server went? That is the key difference you're missing.

You all act as if "oho in the ZeP days he did all the work and maybe he was a bit of a d*** sometimes but at least the work got done for free." It was about as far from free as it gets. Let's also remember that FAF was ZeP's primary job at the time and (I think) one of his only sources of income. Sheeo is gainfully employed elsewhere and offered to take over development for free and add greater transparency to development work. Tell me he hasn't done that.

IMO pony up some cash on a patreon for Sheeo or find someone who is willing to put in a higher volume of work than he is for free before you start whining. Right now you're just whining to whine, there aren't any alternatives.

Before you suggest it, ZeP isn't an alternative, he only offered to do work on GW. Frankly, his little "I told you so" rant in Aeolus just made me question less whether his leaving was good for FAF or not.

Statistics: Posted by briang — 16 Jun 2016, 19:43

Re: Nominations for the new Councillors

2016-06-16T19:40:18+02:00

Plot twist: Sheeo is Ze_Pilot

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 16 Jun 2016, 19:40

Re: Nominations for the new Councillors

2016-06-16T19:26:25+02:00

Sorry, where did i praise sheeo or harass anyone for not doing it? There is a difference between critic and public which hunting of people that put in their free time, not approving of the later doesn't mean i am about to start a personality cult. Things are not as we'd like, but it's still better than nothing. What do you want to do, say how fed up you are with him until he quits, or just kick him now because he isn't doing his "job", and then...then what?

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 16 Jun 2016, 19:26

Re: Nominations for the new Councillors

2016-06-16T19:12:09+02:00

Zock wrote:
How dare someone spends his free time on something else than coding for FAF all day long!

That is some bullshit and one-sided logic, sorry.
How about a different stance, where someone takes the responsibility but cannot (or unwilling?) stand up to the task because "he has no time"? Ladder is abandoned now cause sheeo cba to change maps, no more new avas for tourneys cause sheeo cba to upload them, we cant push a push cause there are communication issues between sheeo and rest of the team, etc etc. I can play decide if i want to play this game in my free time or not, but when the whole project depends on you, dont you think there should be some responsibility involved?

Honestly this quote is on the same level as being a feminazi. If someone doesnt praise sheeo, that person getting immediately harassed. Im not trying to attack sheeo but rather feeling a bit annoyed with this personality cult here.

Statistics: Posted by Mad`Mozart — 16 Jun 2016, 19:12

Re: Nominations for the new Councillors

2016-06-16T16:53:27+02:00

Sheeo, do you really truly want to make this game great and work well?

Lot of rumors people are coming in to take over and pass it along.

What is the deal?

What happened?

In my hopes, you are the one who succeeds and makes this great. I don't want someone else to take it up.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 16 Jun 2016, 16:53

Re: Nominations for the new Councillors

2016-06-16T16:19:19+02:00

How dare someone spends his free time on something else than coding for FAF all day long!

I am quite disappointed myself in the current state of FAF so i completely understand where you're coming from, but this can't be the right approach to get anything change to the positive.

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 16 Jun 2016, 16:19

Re: Nominations for the new Councillors

2016-06-16T16:15:12+02:00

Thats some decent activity and now I believe hes busy

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 16 Jun 2016, 16:15

Re: Nominations for the new Councillors

2016-06-16T16:32:37+02:00

speed2 wrote:
How dead FAF is in scale 1-10?
I know that democracy is slow... But we could try a bit more

Per Exotic's request I'm removing this post.

Hopefully it delivers...

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 16 Jun 2016, 16:11

Re: Nominations for the new Councillors

2016-06-16T14:33:34+02:00

Statistics: Posted by biass — 16 Jun 2016, 14:33