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Re: How can I get Hazard Supreme Marker Editor to work?

2016-01-31T03:24:39+02:00

Sprouto wrote:
If you were warned by the Sorian AI then something necessary was actually missing - likely the Amphibious markers, which Sorian AI uses to move it's engineers. Other than that, I have no quick answer for you.

Ahh! Okay! So I can make myself maps and add markers to them as well as the Amphibious Markers, and then just put them in my FaF Map Folder. Shame that I won't be able to upload them, but no biggie.

Statistics: Posted by spice — 31 Jan 2016, 03:24

Re: How can I get Hazard Supreme Marker Editor to work?

2016-01-30T19:38:31+02:00

If you were warned by the Sorian AI then something necessary was actually missing - likely the Amphibious markers, which Sorian AI uses to move it's engineers. Other than that, I have no quick answer for you.

Statistics: Posted by Sprouto — 30 Jan 2016, 19:38

Re: How can I get Hazard Supreme Marker Editor to work?

2016-01-30T13:15:39+02:00

Sprouto wrote:
Possibly because without markers, the AI may never get around enough to generate the economy necessary to build those particular units. Without markers the AI is essentially blind, will not be able to find many resources (except those in the immediate area), and most likely will be rather hamstrung overall. That's essentially why Sorian will warn you about such a map.

The map I was playing on (4v4 Upside Down V Pandemonium) had plenty of Markers, but the lobby didn't say that it did.

Statistics: Posted by spice — 30 Jan 2016, 13:15

Re: How can I get Hazard Supreme Marker Editor to work?

2016-01-30T13:00:13+02:00

Possibly because without markers, the AI may never get around enough to generate the economy necessary to build those particular units. Without markers the AI is essentially blind, will not be able to find many resources (except those in the immediate area), and most likely will be rather hamstrung overall. That's essentially why Sorian will warn you about such a map.

Statistics: Posted by Sprouto — 30 Jan 2016, 13:00

Re: How can I get Hazard Supreme Marker Editor to work?

2016-01-30T11:02:26+02:00

Sprouto wrote:
Those errors are all coming from specific units - not the AI. The fact that it's happening around the 30 minute mark implies that it's a T2 or T3 unit. You should try the following diagnostic;

Turn off ALL mods except Sorian AI. See if you still crash.

If you don't - turn back on ONE mod and repeat.

Carry on until you get the crash again - at that point you've isolated the likely culprit.

Just a note, from your log, every time you see one of those 'Loading module' messages, it's usually the first time that unit has appeared in the game. That should give you a hint as to which unit(s) might be triggering the crash.

Got'cha, will try that. But why doesn't this happen on maps that have Sorian AI markers (According to the lobby)?

Statistics: Posted by spice — 30 Jan 2016, 11:02

Re: How can I get Hazard Supreme Marker Editor to work?

2016-01-30T09:54:37+02:00

Those errors are all coming from specific units - not the AI. The fact that it's happening around the 30 minute mark implies that it's a T2 or T3 unit. You should try the following diagnostic;

Turn off ALL mods except Sorian AI. See if you still crash.

If you don't - turn back on ONE mod and repeat.

Carry on until you get the crash again - at that point you've isolated the likely culprit.

Just a note, from your log, every time you see one of those 'Loading module' messages, it's usually the first time that unit has appeared in the game. That should give you a hint as to which unit(s) might be triggering the crash.

Statistics: Posted by Sprouto — 30 Jan 2016, 09:54

Re: How can I get Hazard Supreme Marker Editor to work?

2016-01-30T07:40:40+02:00

Another thing regarding AI, this Crash-To-Desktop happens a lot. The log is as follows:

Spoiler: show

This happens on maps that don't have AI markers at the 30 minute mark, always at the 30 minute mark and only one maps that don't have Sorian AI. Maps that do have markers, but don't say so in the lobby will crash.

Statistics: Posted by spice — 30 Jan 2016, 07:40

Re: How can I get Hazard Supreme Marker Editor to work?

2016-01-30T06:55:14+02:00

Re: Amphibious Markers - The Hazard editor has a handy button which will automatically create the Amphibious markers by duplicating your Land and Naval markers. All that you have to do after that is link them together where you want them to transition from land to water and back again. The Amphibious markers are also preferred by Engineers, so a complete amphibious marker set is pretty much a requirement for a properly marked map.

I'll just reinforce what Aware mentioned about the Scenario file - it's holds all the information that FA needs to find your map. Learn how to edit it directly - as you'll need to be able to do that if you ever wish to edit a map that has more than 8 start positions. There's not that much in it, so you shouldn't find it difficult.

Glad I could be of some help.

Statistics: Posted by Sprouto — 30 Jan 2016, 06:55

Re: How can I get Hazard Supreme Marker Editor to work?

2016-01-30T05:48:12+02:00

Yeah ...you need to change the map name.
Don't upload a new version with the same name.
Create you own naming system and then only change versions until each maps landform/markers/script are correct.
You can give all folders the same new name for a 1st edition of a map. You only need to add .0002 to the main folder when you are uploading a new version. (plus you must add 'map version = 2' in *.*_scenario.lua text.) To be complete you must also edit the path names to include the .0002 suffix.

Anyway at this stage just try to get the naming right ...its where most beginners make errors.
Your path names listed in *.*_scenario.lua must match the actual folder and file name structure.

If you want to test the map you don't need to upload it, just skirmish say 2AI v 2AI or play the map yourself against AI. Then check replay to see what the AI did and what can be improved.
The Sorian AI uses linked-amphibious markers to path-find with Experimentals. I don't see any in that preview so I would expect AI Experimentals to get stuck on obstacles. It is worth carefully laying out linked amphibious markers while imagining you are guiding a GC or FatBoy.

Statistics: Posted by AwarE — 30 Jan 2016, 05:48

Re: How can I get Hazard Supreme Marker Editor to work?

2016-01-29T16:21:34+02:00

So I think I've got the markers under control. Problem is uploading, I can't exactly upload it, nor does it appear in the FaF lobby. Here it is: http://imgur.com/o7vNqvf

The path for the map is as follows: C:\Users\Sam_admin\Documents\My Games\Gas Powered Games\Supreme Commander Forged Alliance\Maps\Zbalv12.v0001withAI

FaF isn't uploading it since it's already in the database.

Statistics: Posted by spice — 29 Jan 2016, 16:21

Re: How can I get Hazard Supreme Marker Editor to work?

2016-01-29T16:00:26+02:00

AwarE wrote:
As the above posts suggested you could just create the folder the editor it looking at.
'C:\Users\Sam_admin\Documents\My Games\Gas Powered Games\SupremeCommander\Maps'.
Note: There is no space in 'SupremeCommander'.

Or you could set the editor to look here.
'C:\Users\Sam_admin\Documents\My Games\Gas Powered Games\Supreme Commander Forged Alliance\Maps

Run the Editor
Go File / Open map
At top of Load Map see Location dropdown box.

There are 4 choices:
- SupCom FA User Profile
- SupCom FA Map Folder
- SupCom User Profile
- SupCom Map Folder

Set it to - 'SupCom FA User Profile'

Hope that solves it.

For the FaF Map Editor, it gets stuck on Loading Map, even when ran as Admin.

As for Hazard's Marker Editor-- HOLY SHIT! It worked! Thanks so much, guys! Shame that I can't edit 12-player maps, but that's no big deal.

Statistics: Posted by spice — 29 Jan 2016, 16:00

Re: How can I get Hazard Supreme Marker Editor to work?

2016-01-29T05:44:51+02:00

As the above posts suggested you could just create the folder the editor it looking at.
'C:\Users\Sam_admin\Documents\My Games\Gas Powered Games\SupremeCommander\Maps'.
Note: There is no space in 'SupremeCommander'.

Or you could set the editor to look here.
'C:\Users\Sam_admin\Documents\My Games\Gas Powered Games\Supreme Commander Forged Alliance\Maps

Run the Editor
Go File / Open map
At top of Load Map see Location dropdown box.

There are 4 choices:
- SupCom FA User Profile
- SupCom FA Map Folder
- SupCom User Profile
- SupCom Map Folder

Set it to - 'SupCom FA User Profile'

Hope that solves it.

Statistics: Posted by AwarE — 29 Jan 2016, 05:44

Re: How can I get Hazard Supreme Marker Editor to work?

2016-01-29T01:43:37+02:00

Sprouto wrote:
Yes indeed - Hazards Marker Editor.

Look at the first few lines of your original post, in the error message - you'll see it complaining about not being able to find that directory. If you create it, even if it's empty - the Marker Editor will then start working. Apparently, Hazard expected to always find maps in that location and didn't count on that directory not being present.

This is the only thing I could find: C:\Users\Sam_admin\Documents\My Games\Gas Powered Games\Supreme Commander Forged Alliance\Maps

I have Supreme Commander 1 installed and downloaded, but it's not located in Documents.

Statistics: Posted by spice — 29 Jan 2016, 01:43

Re: How can I get Hazard Supreme Marker Editor to work?

2016-01-28T23:19:47+02:00

Yes indeed - Hazards Marker Editor.

Look at the first few lines of your original post, in the error message - you'll see it complaining about not being able to find that directory. If you create it, even if it's empty - the Marker Editor will then start working. Apparently, Hazard expected to always find maps in that location and didn't count on that directory not being present.

Statistics: Posted by Sprouto — 28 Jan 2016, 23:19

Re: How can I get Hazard Supreme Marker Editor to work?

2016-01-28T22:15:35+02:00

Sprouto wrote:
I should have been more clear when I edited my last post.

There was no necessity to moving your maps - all that was required was to make an empty folder, called Maps, in the directory that your error code indicated.

For Hazard's marker editor?

Statistics: Posted by spice — 28 Jan 2016, 22:15