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Re: Bug: Upgraded radars are untargettable until scouted aga

2016-01-13T20:13:59+02:00

that has a simple answer. The building was scouted while being upgraded. When it get to T2 it isn't grey.
if plzhalpimsobad had only scouted the T1 radar while it wasn't upgrading, he would have see it grey.

moreover when you have scouted the unit while being upgraded. afterward you can target the T2 unit (The T1 is consider as being dead, the attack order won't work). Each time you get a grey T1 signal and a normal T2 one.
Most of the time it is the T2 (not in grey) that you see on the map, from time to time it can appear that the T1 (in grey) one is the most visible. When it is the T2 one that is the most visible in strategic range, and you try to attack, only the T1 will be available to attack (and since it's dead you can't attack it, not sure if you follow). however you can still zoom in and target the T2 unit (it is just a little hard to catch it).
As i was saying from time to time you will see the T1 (in grey) icon on strategic view, then it is this time the T2 that you are able to attack. This time you will be able to attack the unit from strategic view.

When you didn't scout the unit being upgraded, the T2 unit won't appear, you won't be able to target it.

i can link to 2 test if necessary.

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 13 Jan 2016, 20:13

Re: Bug: Upgraded radars are untargettable until scouted aga

2016-01-13T18:03:15+02:00

Well.

Title is now misleading as i cannot reproduce it.

however, in this replay: content.faforever.com/faf/vault/replay_vault/replay.php?id=4307216

from my perspective at least the radar goes to t2 without going grey.

Likewise: content.faforever.com/faf/vault/replay_vault/replay.php?id=4304100

From plzhalpimsobad at minute 14:30, the middle radar is upgrading to t2, it does not grey out. (I asked a few people to watch and they confirm i am not insane)

Statistics: Posted by Sovietpride — 13 Jan 2016, 18:03

Re: Bug: Upgraded radars are untargettable until scouted aga

2016-01-13T17:42:02+02:00

Radars do grey out when upgraded.

Statistics: Posted by JaggedAppliance — 13 Jan 2016, 17:42

Re: Bug: Upgraded radars are untargettable until scouted aga

2016-01-13T17:29:06+02:00

VoiceofReason wrote:
Sovietpride wrote:
Zock wrote:Doesn't this apply to all upgradable buildings?

the problem is that the radars dont get greyed out like upgradable buildings.
whilst not being able to target upgradeable buildings may in itself be an issue, at least we know something is happenning.
This was not the case with radars.

Wait, RADARS don't get greyed out...

Sorry to hijack your thread SovietPride, but this is important! I thought once upon a time, coders and the community looked into making it so upgraded buildings don't give FREE intel to opponents; and it was deemed impossible because engine limitations or something like that (afaik.) This gives me new hope tho, radars upgrade no differently than any other upgradeable building right? Can maybe someone look into why the Radar doesn't grey out when advancing tiers and possibly add this FIX to all upgradable buildings so we can stop giving free intel through the fog of war?

Good point. free intel on upgrades / eco is counter intuitive, unfair and bizarre in an rts.

Statistics: Posted by Col_Walter_Kurtz — 13 Jan 2016, 17:29

Re: Bug: Upgraded radars are untargettable until scouted aga

2016-01-13T17:24:36+02:00

Sovietpride wrote:
Zock wrote:Doesn't this apply to all upgradable buildings?

the problem is that the radars dont get greyed out like upgradable buildings.
whilst not being able to target upgradeable buildings may in itself be an issue, at least we know something is happenning.
This was not the case with radars.

Wait, RADARS don't get greyed out...

Sorry to hijack your thread SovietPride, but this is important! I thought once upon a time, coders and the community looked into making it so upgraded buildings don't give FREE intel to opponents; and it was deemed impossible because engine limitations or something like that (afaik.) This gives me new hope tho, radars upgrade no differently than any other upgradeable building right? Can maybe someone look into why the Radar doesn't grey out when advancing tiers and possibly add this FIX to all upgradable buildings so we can stop giving free intel through the fog of war?

Statistics: Posted by VoiceofReason — 13 Jan 2016, 17:24

Re: Bug: Upgraded radars are untargettable until scouted aga

2016-01-13T17:18:09+02:00

Zock wrote:
Doesn't this apply to all upgradable buildings?

the problem is that the radars dont get greyed out like upgradable buildings.
whilst not being able to target upgradeable buildings may in itself be an issue, at least we know something is happenning.
This was not the case with radars.

Statistics: Posted by Sovietpride — 13 Jan 2016, 17:18

Re: Bug: Upgraded radars are untargettable until scouted aga

2016-01-13T15:43:39+02:00

Huh, i thought you can actually tell that just by looking, tho whatever it is it needs to be in radar range

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 13 Jan 2016, 15:43

Re: Bug: Upgraded radars are untargettable until scouted aga

2016-01-13T14:03:32+02:00

Yes it should be targetable but then that could be abuse to determine if it is a dead unit or an upgraded one. (the dead wouldn t be targetable..)

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 13 Jan 2016, 14:03

Re: Bug: Upgraded radars are untargettable until scouted aga

2016-01-13T08:37:28+02:00

It does apply to all upgraided or rebuild or given to ally buildings.
But i think they can be trageted by your units automaticly, it is just you can't click there cause old icon is covering new one

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 13 Jan 2016, 08:37

Re: Bug: Upgraded radars are untargettable until scouted aga

2016-01-13T08:28:04+02:00

Doesn't this apply to all upgradable buildings?

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 13 Jan 2016, 08:28

Bug: Upgraded radars are untargettable until scouted again

2016-01-13T08:26:18+02:00

Steps to reproduce:

1) scout enemy radar.
2) enemy radar upgades.
3) Give order to attack enemy radar once upgraded

The attack order will fizzle. '

Once the structure has been scouted again, it can be targetted normally.

Interesting note: Whilst other upgradable structures (mex/factories) will "grey out" as if destroyed when upgraded, upgraded radars do not grey out.
Maybe its related?

Statistics: Posted by Sovietpride — 13 Jan 2016, 08:26