Forged Alliance Forever

Re: A bunch of bugs

2016-01-12T20:34:04+02:00

PsychoBoB wrote:
Gorton wrote:There is no real difference between exploits, to be honest. Both can cause unfair wins - both get punished. Arbitrary punishments - i.e banning you 1 month for one and 2 month for other, as random amounts - would be hard to defend.

Hm, this is a bit like i have to pay 100€ no matter what i did, driving a bit to fast or a bankrobbery. Driving a bit to fast can happen without bad intention, not a bankrobbery...

But i'll stop here! If you (the mods) see this different i'm fine anyhow. You're doing great work for this project. Thx, keep on going!

Well, that's the thing - most exploits cause one result : unfair advantage for one player/team -> win for that team.
When the crime is the same thing...

Most exploits are not possible to do by accident, or they're extremely unlikely to be done. The replays and chat can be watched (along with our knowledge of the players) to understand accidental use.

We will consider appeals for the reason that it's not 100%, but in general, it's a harder line we're taking because this needs to stop.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 12 Jan 2016, 20:34

Re: A bunch of bugs

2016-01-12T18:32:08+02:00

So the tl;dr of this thread is:

IT'S A FEATURE

Right?

Statistics: Posted by zeroAPM — 12 Jan 2016, 18:32

Re: A bunch of bugs

2016-01-12T14:58:28+02:00

Blodir wrote:
Gorton wrote:
PsychoBoB wrote:Gorton said we should report any exploits. But what are exploits exactly? Sure, something like "making invincible units" is obvious but "killing a drop with building beneath" is not so clear to me like Sovietpride stated above. It's more like a feature that needs attention and micro...

Bug abusing should definitely not be tolerated at all and a ban is an appropriate punishment for it. But i think for new players or players that don't read the forums a ban for a month is hard for something like "Using ACU drones (in a normal way!)". Maybe here should be a bit better differentiated what the player did and why.

As for the first part: If something happens that really shouldn't happen, report it. If you're not sure, report it. Killing a drop by building beneath is is certainly not a feature, it allows you to instagib any drop without a chance for the opponent to stop and not die.

That is not true. It's very easy to move transport before the drop lands if you are paying any attention. If the units are already dropping you can't place a factory below them anymore

It *is* possible, but I won't say how )

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 12 Jan 2016, 14:58

Re: A bunch of bugs

2016-01-12T14:02:28+02:00

Hascins wrote:
Build walls to mess with beetles pathfinding --> not allowed
TML blocking with e.g. Buildings --> not allowed

those 2 aren't in the list. So it is possible to use them.

thx for the link to the thread....but as far as i understand, building walls to mess with beetle pathfinding would fall under this:

"- Using terraforming intentionally to block units/mess with pathfinding, also flattening an obstacle to allow units through is not allowed."

Walls are not part of terrain, same as any other building..
More to that, walls acually only building that can't be used in terraforming, cause terrain does not become flat under them

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 12 Jan 2016, 14:02

Re: A bunch of bugs

2016-01-12T13:57:52+02:00

Build walls to mess with beetles pathfinding --> not allowed
TML blocking with e.g. Buildings --> not allowed

those 2 aren't in the list. So it is possible to use them.

thx for the link to the thread....but as far as i understand, building walls to mess with beetle pathfinding would fall under this:

"- Using terraforming intentionally to block units/mess with pathfinding, also flattening an obstacle to allow units through is not allowed."

Statistics: Posted by Hascins — 12 Jan 2016, 13:57

Re: A bunch of bugs

2016-01-12T12:10:18+02:00

Build walls to mess with beetles pathfinding --> not allowed
TML blocking with e.g. Buildings --> not allowed

those 2 aren't in the list. So it is possible to use them.

Building beneath drop...i thought that's ---> not allowed

it's in the list so not allowed.

it's not that hard... everything is written here : viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11322

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 12 Jan 2016, 12:10

Re: A bunch of bugs

2016-01-12T11:10:12+02:00

Uh phew...im lucky that i read this post....otherwise i would have been punished i guess

Just for clarification:
Building beneath drop...i thought that's ---> not allowed
Build walls to mess with beetles pathfinding --> not allowed
TML blocking with e.g. Buildings --> not allowed

can someone confirm?

Statistics: Posted by Hascins — 12 Jan 2016, 11:10

Re: A bunch of bugs

2016-01-12T10:59:58+02:00

Gorton wrote:
PsychoBoB wrote:Gorton said we should report any exploits. But what are exploits exactly? Sure, something like "making invincible units" is obvious but "killing a drop with building beneath" is not so clear to me like Sovietpride stated above. It's more like a feature that needs attention and micro...

Bug abusing should definitely not be tolerated at all and a ban is an appropriate punishment for it. But i think for new players or players that don't read the forums a ban for a month is hard for something like "Using ACU drones (in a normal way!)". Maybe here should be a bit better differentiated what the player did and why.

As for the first part: If something happens that really shouldn't happen, report it. If you're not sure, report it. Killing a drop by building beneath is is certainly not a feature, it allows you to instagib any drop without a chance for the opponent to stop and not die.

That is not true. It's very easy to move transport before the drop lands if you are paying any attention. If the units are already dropping you can't place a factory below them anymore

Statistics: Posted by Blodir — 12 Jan 2016, 10:59

Re: A bunch of bugs

2016-01-12T10:17:08+02:00

Gorton wrote:
There is no real difference between exploits, to be honest. Both can cause unfair wins - both get punished. Arbitrary punishments - i.e banning you 1 month for one and 2 month for other, as random amounts - would be hard to defend.

Hm, this is a bit like i have to pay 100€ no matter what i did, driving a bit to fast or a bankrobbery. Driving a bit to fast can happen without bad intention, not a bankrobbery...

But i'll stop here! If you (the mods) see this different i'm fine anyhow. You're doing great work for this project. Thx, keep on going!

Statistics: Posted by PsychoBoB — 12 Jan 2016, 10:17

Re: A bunch of bugs

2016-01-11T21:37:56+02:00

Barring a handful of these exploits, I don't only know how they work, I had no idea they exist.

Maybe you should read this viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11322

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 11 Jan 2016, 21:37

Re: A bunch of bugs

2016-01-11T20:01:04+02:00

There is no real difference between exploits, to be honest. Both can cause unfair wins - both get punished. Arbitrary punishments - i.e banning you 1 month for one and 2 month for other, as random amounts - would be hard to defend.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 11 Jan 2016, 20:01

Re: A bunch of bugs

2016-01-11T18:14:28+02:00

I understand the logic about the secrecy behind the aforementioned bugs, to be clear I am not trying to troll or anything.
Respect for people keeping FA alive.
Thanks for your replies.

Still it's frustrating to know how someone who delves too much into a subject, can find ways to nullify a legitimate gaming effort.

Barring a handful of these exploits, I don't only know how they work, I had no idea they exist.

Next time I will write in console "My name is Methos" for the oldest folks who know.

Statistics: Posted by prodromos — 11 Jan 2016, 18:14

Re: A bunch of bugs

2016-01-11T17:53:19+02:00

On the second: Re-read :

Upon using any of the following, you will be warned once;

I read this already and it is ok. It just should there be a fair chance for the players to get informed about their misbehaviour
before they get banned for a whole month.

Maybe here should be a bit better differentiated what the player did and why.

I have no idea what that means.

Sorry for my bad english. I only mean that it should be made a difference between using a bug of the game (invincible units) or e.g. unbalanced features (ACU drones) if it comes to a punishment.

Statistics: Posted by PsychoBoB — 11 Jan 2016, 17:53

Re: A bunch of bugs

2016-01-11T17:30:15+02:00

PsychoBoB wrote:
Gorton said we should report any exploits. But what are exploits exactly? Sure, something like "making invincible units" is obvious but "killing a drop with building beneath" is not so clear to me like Sovietpride stated above. It's more like a feature that needs attention and micro...

Bug abusing should definitely not be tolerated at all and a ban is an appropriate punishment for it. But i think for new players or players that don't read the forums a ban for a month is hard for something like "Using ACU drones (in a normal way!)". Maybe here should be a bit better differentiated what the player did and why.

As for the first part: If something happens that really shouldn't happen, report it. If you're not sure, report it. Killing a drop by building beneath is is certainly not a feature, it allows you to instagib any drop without a chance for the opponent to stop and not die.

On the second: Re-read :

Upon using any of the following, you will be warned once;

Maybe here should be a bit better differentiated what the player did and why.

I have no idea what that means.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 11 Jan 2016, 17:30

Re: A bunch of bugs

2016-01-11T16:59:32+02:00

Gorton said we should report any exploits. But what are exploits exactly? Sure, something like "making invincible units" is obvious but "killing a drop with building beneath" is not so clear to me like Sovietpride stated above. It's more like a feature that needs attention and micro...
Yesterday i sent Voodoo some informations about two other "features" where i think that's just something you could use if you know it (like many other things in this game). Let's see in which category they where placed...

Bug abusing should definitely not be tolerated at all and a ban is an appropriate punishment for it. But i think for new players or players that don't read the forums a ban for a month is hard for something like "Using ACU drones (in a normal way!)". Maybe here should be a bit better differentiated what the player did and why.

Statistics: Posted by PsychoBoB — 11 Jan 2016, 16:59