Forged Alliance Forever

Re: a feature that I think people wanted for a long time?

2015-10-09T10:20:45+02:00

too few people are playing setons anyway. Everyone's rating is well known. Even more - everyone's + and - are well known.

Statistics: Posted by justmakenewgame — 09 Oct 2015, 10:20

Re: a feature that I think people wanted for a long time?

2015-10-09T09:20:40+02:00

I think thats not true the rating system works well. I nearly cant win vs people higher than my rating but i win more or less easy vs lower ratings. I play both 1v1 and teamgames. In both sections the rating is my true rating. People overestimate the "bad day syndrom". I had a game 4v4 vs mephi 3948031 this game is very nice to explain the mess with ratings. I am matched vs mephi 1700 vs 1800. The problem behind is i play not very often mephi a bit more and he is in fact a great 1v1 player. I never would win any 1v1 against him. here starts the problem i was tired and making mistakes additional didnt get any t1 aa air myself air. I was fucked like a noob vs mephi. my air player some kind of strange person started to shout on me instead of doing what experienced air players do. postals knows what to do --> ECO and spam exps. front position not dead already a good result. Those 2 air players also have the same rating. The big difference is that one of them knows how to play high level eco air position and the other has hardly t3 mexes.

So in this game 2 big imbalances are shown and thats the most extreme cases which happen daily.
1. somebody has a bad day or does small fatal mistakes and is already not as good as the enemy despite nearly same rating --> desaster lose
2. somebody might be a good player according to his rating but has simply not enough experience at a special spot on a special map -- desaster lose (for example t3 bomber rush killing teams)

No rating system of the world is able to remove No.1 but No.2 you could estimate at least better if you know what maps people are playing and how good they are on different positions. But you re right it is abused sometimes by childish people like this air player shouting on me the whole time he sounded like he would rate me as total noob there

I would like to see the 1v1 rating shown next to ladder rating alike what i posted that would be nice and together with global rating a good indicator how experienced this person is in general.

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 09 Oct 2015, 09:20

Re: a feature that I think people wanted for a long time?

2015-10-08T20:41:09+02:00

The community here isn't very friendly to new players, in fact they are downright hostile sometimes.

The rating system is mostly to blame for this IMO.

Statistics: Posted by -Axiom- — 08 Oct 2015, 20:41

Re: a feature that I think people wanted for a long time?

2015-10-08T20:38:24+02:00

No matter what is done people will continue to discriminate based on a broken rating system.

Statistics: Posted by -Axiom- — 08 Oct 2015, 20:38

Re: a feature that I think people wanted for a long time?

2015-10-08T18:58:45+02:00

Iszh wrote:
About the player track thing i know some people are afraid to be rated by others and see the true reality of their skills estimated by other players

It was mostly used maliciously.. And the same players are still around and are the majority. No way it wouldn't happen again.

I think the current faf ratings are already far too granular. I'm all for keeping the rating for 1on1 ladder matches, but in custom games I'd settle just for having few different brackets. Maybe 5 brackets max, so games could actually start without trying to shuffle around for BALANCE!!!! for 20 minutes each lobby. Just give each bracket a color code or something.

Statistics: Posted by Zavior — 08 Oct 2015, 18:58

Re: a feature that I think people wanted for a long time?

2015-10-08T13:38:19+02:00

At least the ladder rating display would be nice since this was demanded already 1000 times in aeolus as well and should be nearly no effort. The favorite maps you can watch the persons replays as well to get an overview.
About the player track thing i know some people are afraid to be rated by others and see the true reality of their skills estimated by other players
If you dont want to make other people estimate skills i cant see another way to estimate because win ration on different spots would not serve well here. If other positions fail what happens very often that does not include you are bad at this position. The bad thing about players rating you is having a bad day or beeing unlucky will lead to immidiate effect and people will give you shit ratings.

The maximal version of rating would be to add for every player a recording which position was chosen and rated on which map. If host will change the map the new ratings are shown of this map and then he can change your position and your rating will be shown again different. sice there would be lots of different maps with different positions saved and calculated average that would be insane ammount of data and fill very slow. Ok thats stupid. But what i offered in my pictures was more like you can watch the most played maps to estimate what kind of gameplay this person likes and see the skills in
close land war
air fight
naval fight

what i thought is more useful than the specials in my post above is to add

early game (which stands for rush)
late game (which stands for eco)

this system would reduce it to a few points and fill fast since only the last 15 games on that position should be taken into consideration. Idk but please tell me the things which are against this old player track system, what was bad about it? I simply dont know any atm.

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 08 Oct 2015, 13:38

Re: a feature that I think people wanted for a long time?

2015-10-08T12:02:04+02:00

More stats are always nice

Statistics: Posted by Blackheart — 08 Oct 2015, 12:02

Re: a feature that I think people wanted for a long time?

2015-10-08T10:23:27+02:00

I'm totally against this being implemented as a standard feature of FAF.

1. It will increase balance whining a 1000 fold to the point where you would never launch a game.

2. It will be so inaccurate it is useless to begin with. It takes a good number of games for rating to settle. When you have to do the same for every slot, every map, type of game, unit etc. the number of games will be far too low to make anything out of these numbers. It will lag behind your actual skill by a mile in the best scenario. Even if it's just a one map / per slot thing. Not everyone plays hours per day. Revert to point 1. People won't accept you on slot such and such because you didn't yet play a 100 games on air. And no, it's not like the rating will normalize quickly.

3. By the time it really matters to accurately know someone's skill to that degree, you are already a familiar face. The Supcom community is small enough that high level players know echother. Revert to point 2 about this idea being useless.

Statistics: Posted by Col_Walter_Kurtz — 08 Oct 2015, 10:23

Re: a feature that I think people wanted for a long time?

2015-10-08T08:06:09+02:00

THe problem you forgot about is that you really do a lot of different rating for maps and positions. The result would be some kind of skill chart of every player. It reminds me a bit to the detailed ranking of shooter where you can see weapons kills and deaths and so on. In former times there was player track it does not work anymore. Player track itself was also shit and able to disciminate people. You got only 1 average rating there thats not good. Maybe it would be possible to create something like this for every player a small info window like for units in game. In the score window show be the possibility to rate the players skills. every player gets a few dropdown lists with good air player, good front player, good navy player and good at this map. In the info window would be written average win rate in general global rating, 1v1 rating and the 5 most played maps. and a small liste like this:

There was a terrible mistake in player track. IT was over all ratings ever. The problem once you have a skill level you are stuck to it forever. The general rating should be over the last 15 games or something like this. These pictures down there are just an example how it could look like because global ratings are in fact a shit for balance i noticed this yesterday again several times.

And please dont add DND or other stuff to mark people. It is the job of everybody on his own to know if a player lags or is an ass. No Public discrimination. Maybe to avoid wrong ratings just for fun at other positions you should add in the game lobby next to chose colour and faction a dropdown with chose position and only on this position you can be rated in this game. Or host can settle those position buttons.
Edit: Another thing also could be added rating like the positions different tactics like --- Rush Tac.: Good --- Eco Play: Good --- Drops: Good --- TML Use: Good --- or something alike maybe just with checkboxes something. No idea what exactly but to show special abilities

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 08 Oct 2015, 08:06

Re: a feature that I think people wanted for a long time?

2015-10-08T02:34:43+02:00

madformuse wrote:
And maybe map size or style (navy, land etc). Just out of interest how do you imagine an air slot rating would be calculated? Only taking you and your opponent into account or the strength of the entire team? I suppose the latter but it would just indicate how much more likely the team was to win with you in the air slot.

Damn I hate it when people make me think

The per slot ratings would be calculated based on both your and enemy teams. The overall setons rating would be calculated just like global rating today, but only take into account setons games.
Per slot rating would be just as above but only take into account the games where the given player was in a particular spot.

Statistics: Posted by SeraphimLeftNut — 08 Oct 2015, 02:34

Re: a feature that I think people wanted for a long time?

2015-10-08T01:36:36+02:00

And maybe map size or style (navy, land etc). Just out of interest how do you imagine an air slot rating would be calculated? Only taking you and your opponent into account or the strength of the entire team? I suppose the latter but it would just indicate how much more likely the team was to win with you in the air slot.

Damn I hate it when people make me think

Statistics: Posted by madformuse — 08 Oct 2015, 01:36

a feature that I think people wanted for a long time?

2015-10-08T00:59:38+02:00

How difficult would it be to implement?
Parallel to the global and matchmaker ratings, have a separate setons rating. Maybe show it in a tooltip somewhere.
Further how difficult would it be to give different setons ratings for each position?

I don't think there can be any argument against this, except for taking up Sheeo et. al. time.

Would be great to have this for other maps as well.

Statistics: Posted by SeraphimLeftNut — 08 Oct 2015, 00:59