Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Faction Diversity

2015-10-11T15:27:38+02:00

Blackster wrote:
One reason why imo it is a can be a good idea to upgr t2 shields is that when upgrading an almost depleted shield, it gets full shield health back onec it reaches t3 level. Timing is tricky, but with sufficient build power close by that can be a useful useful move.

while thats technically true for all upgreadable shields, in game it applies only to cybran ones as they are cheap and fast to upgrade, and you tend to have more of them in the first place, and they go down more often.
of course, you could use this trick for all factions, but for uef it would be a relatively rare (and risky) event, and as such it might be best not to include this there as a general rule.

Blackster wrote:
by the way, I think the t3 mobile arties for UEF and Seraphim are missing. I am not that good to be able to explain their characteristics. Maybe Speed2 or someone else could write a line and add the information.

"The units that are extremely similar throughout the factions are not included on this page"
: D

also your 2 changes were most welcome (:

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 11 Oct 2015, 15:27

Re: Faction Diversity

2015-10-11T15:19:19+02:00

Thanks for explaining. I think when pointing out something a short hint as for why that is would be a good addition (I have noticed with some units that this has already been done case).
One reason why imo it is a can be a good idea to upgr t2 shields is that when upgrading an almost depleted shield, it gets full shield health back onec it reaches t3 level. Timing is tricky, but with sufficient build power close by that can be a useful useful move.
I just edited two small things in the wikki
By the way, I think the t3 mobile arties for UEF and Seraphim are missing. I am not that good to be able to explain their characteristics. Maybe Speed2 or someone else could write a line and add the information.

Statistics: Posted by --- — 11 Oct 2015, 15:19

Re: Faction Diversity

2015-10-11T14:59:36+02:00

well the reason is a little complicated - for example at t2 they are good enough, and upgrading costs the full price so at t3 its better to build a full t3 shield instead, and also you should mix t2 and t3 shields together because they have different reload times, to enable better overall protection. on top of that the t3 shield is very expensive and is hard to get at t2, and is less efficient.

does that help?
would you like to see such info on the page? or is it better to keep it concise and not a wall of text?
you suggestions are welcome!
your contributions are even more welcome!

in any case this page was written by mostly speed2, and blackheart looked over it at one point as well, don't worry, its most likely accurate (:

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 11 Oct 2015, 14:59

Re: Faction Diversity

2015-10-11T14:49:51+02:00

It says for the UEF t2 shield:
"Static Shield – One of the weaker T2 shields, but still worthwhile. Upgradable to T3 though this is not recommended"
Why is it not recommended? No reason given.

Statistics: Posted by --- — 11 Oct 2015, 14:49

Re: Faction Diversity

2015-10-11T14:46:40+02:00

care to list me said websites?
id love to include anything that might be missing from here

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 11 Oct 2015, 14:46

Re: Faction Diversity

2015-10-11T14:38:46+02:00

Exotic_Retard wrote:
http://wiki.faforever.com/index.php?title=Faction_Information

all you need to know about faction differences

Has about the same info as other websites.

Statistics: Posted by Resin_Smoker — 11 Oct 2015, 14:38

Re: Faction Diversity

2015-10-11T13:24:34+02:00

http://wiki.faforever.com/index.php?tit ... nformation

all you need to know about faction differences

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 11 Oct 2015, 13:24

Re: Faction Diversity

2015-10-11T10:52:27+02:00

bigcrap757 wrote:
Does FAF have it? Please support your answer with evidence.

Originally there was some faction diversity until FAF, where it got it the way of the overall game balence.

Resin

Statistics: Posted by Resin_Smoker — 11 Oct 2015, 10:52

Re: Faction Diversity

2015-10-11T10:30:57+02:00

Unique characteristics (hardly touching on experimentals & ACUs here):
UEF
-Shield boats
-t2 gunships can be used as transport
-Sparky

Cybran
-Mobile stealth generator
-Stealthable strats
-Mantis can assist
-Shields are upgradable
-HARMS (t3 torpedo system)

Aeon
-Shield disruptor
-Megalith can walk backwards
-T3 torpedo bomber
-Harbinger can reclaim

Seraphim
-Cloakable labs
-? xD

Also the degree of units being able to hover varies from faction to faction (no love for Cybrans here ;( )

Statistics: Posted by --- — 11 Oct 2015, 10:30

Re: Faction Diversity

2015-10-11T07:05:47+02:00

KD7BCH wrote:
No race has a clear outright advantage across all theaters of battle at each tier which is why it is interesting.

Unless you're playing 1v1 on four corners, lol.

Statistics: Posted by Mycen — 11 Oct 2015, 07:05

Re: Faction Diversity

2015-10-11T06:27:45+02:00

bigcrap757 wrote:
Does FAF have it? Please support your answer with evidence.

Yes.

Seraphim are missing a T1 gunship and a T3 gunship.
Cybran are missing good shields and T3 PD.
UEF are missing a really good potent ground EXP.
Aeon are missing T2 Fighter Bomber and have poor TMD radius.

Plenty of other examples, Cybran with their special units which have dual purposes, UEF with their shields on most units, Aeon with their almost ASF interceptor, Seraphim with their incredible shields, there is a substantial amount of faction diversity built around a core similarity. It isn't as diverse as a 3 way faction setup like exists with Starcraft where the units are pretty radically different but you have majority same unit types but of varying strengths.

No race has a clear outright advantage across all theaters of battle at each tier which is why it is interesting.

Statistics: Posted by KD7BCH — 11 Oct 2015, 06:27

Re: Faction Diversity

2015-10-07T23:49:47+02:00

Faction divercity is fairly limited, but that allows for very high map variaty, and game still remains balanced

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 07 Oct 2015, 23:49

Re: Faction Diversity

2015-10-07T22:19:29+02:00

ajkayforty7 wrote:
Yes it has, why do you think not? altough factions share similar unit names, they all look different and are their own units.

Example, the T1 tanks, the UEF has a basic tank, cybran has more of a raiding tank, Sera is again quite basic and Aeon have a tank that excels when micro'd

I wasn't saying it didn't have it, Im just curious what you guys think

Statistics: Posted by bigcrap757 — 07 Oct 2015, 22:19

Re: Faction Diversity

2015-10-07T22:18:30+02:00

Yes it has, why do you think not? altough factions share similar unit names, they all look different and are their own units.

Example, the T1 tanks, the UEF has a basic tank, cybran has more of a raiding tank, Sera is again quite basic and Aeon have a tank that excels when micro'd

Statistics: Posted by wasdf — 07 Oct 2015, 22:18

Re: Faction Diversity

2015-10-07T22:15:50+02:00

Not sure how to answer to this... especially when the one who's asking is big crap...

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 07 Oct 2015, 22:15