Forged Alliance Forever Forged Alliance Forever Forums 2015-08-31T19:35:55+02:00 /feed.php?f=2&t=10704 2015-08-31T19:35:55+02:00 2015-08-31T19:35:55+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=10704&p=108951#p108951 <![CDATA[Re: The dynamics of the game have gone to...]]>
Blodir wrote:
Holy shit that post...

- Mods & Admins don't receive donations
- I have never experienced cheating in my 1600+ FAF games (aside from ecomod, but that doesn't make such a significant difference + you can download it yourself from the mod vault if you think it makes the game unplayably unfair)
- Most people (also players higher rated than you) think the balance is much better than in gpg + the controversial changes were introduced while zep was in charge (don't bring visionik into this. If you have a problem with recent balance changes I suggest you contact Zock)
- Desynced replays are not accurate (obviously). That is why you get a desync message in middle of the screen. Because the replay is desynced. It's unwatchable. This has always been the case, if you think you got what it takes to fix this problem then go ahead everything is open source (unlike when zep was in charge)

The world is not against you. Mods and admins aren't evil. There is no cheating conspiracy in FAF. Stop assuming that everything is wrong



ZLO_RD wrote:
Maybe you had t1 pd and he had t3...
Maybe your t3 units were titans and his t2 units were obsidians, need more details and not desynced replay...

Replays that stored locally on your pc have more chance to be not desynced

Also make sure you have played without sim mods and on map without scripts

Edit: Even if replay is desynced still show us, we can parse it and see if "cheating" was "on" or what mods were there and game version and map version.
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^ These.

Anything about balance, there's an entire forum for it : viewforum.php?f=67

I would like to clarify that official maps aren't changed, they are all still in your original install. People have changed / made 3v3/4v4/etc versions of some of these maps, and that's not a problem. If you're playing a changed version of the map, then that's your prerogative to check.

If you do find any "cheating" players or cheating maps, then please tell a member of the moderator team. We need replay IDS.

Check your local copy of replays in your local drive /programdata/faforever/replays to see if that's desynced. If not, send it to the mod team.
Programdata is a hidden folder, though, so you need to enable hidden files and folders.

Any questions, pm the mod team :)

Locking this thread.



Edit:

What about establishing a credibility rating score in which 0 means a player not suspeted of cheating to as high as 10 meaning in which the player has been accused of cheating before? Why not the moderators/administrators make some kind of mechanism to curb the illegal use of mods and cheating that is so rampant in FAF? Why not? Is it because of fear of losing people? Is it because of fear that they will lose donations? Who knows? If the moderators/adminstrators are able to change the dynamics of Supreme Commander-Forged Alliance to the point they are on borderline copyright infringement then they can sure do something about the rampant cheating that is now become daily? Other servers whether they are coporate controlled, community controlled or fan controlled for many PC games no matter what genre of the game have some kind of mechanism to prevent cheaters from cheating on games. I don't see that here with FAF. Why is that? That is discouraging and sad now that cheating on games via FAF has become crazy epidemic.


-Cheating in this game is almost impossible. If a mod was active, or the game SETTING "cheating" is on, then that's your thing to check. The only ways to actually cheat.. are very difficult to do, and even harder to detect.
-Rating people by popular opinion will lead to witchhunts. People will downvote people they don't like, or are mad about losing too.
-Mods don't change the game. That's up to the balance team/Admin/Council.
-We're not infringing copyright :D
-We ban cheating.

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2015-08-31T19:26:45+02:00 2015-08-31T19:26:45+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=10704&p=108948#p108948 <![CDATA[Re: The dynamics of the game have gone to...]]> Statistics: Posted by SeraphimLeftNut — 31 Aug 2015, 19:26


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2015-08-31T17:32:14+02:00 2015-08-31T17:32:14+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=10704&p=108935#p108935 <![CDATA[Re: The dynamics of the game have gone to...]]>
Suck it up and learn the game like I did. I started playing this game in 2007 as well and think the FaF community has evolved it and shaped it to keep up with the community's style quite well. There is never going to be 100%-agreement on everything so just learn the good parts and take it for what it is: a free upholding of your favorite game.

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2015-08-31T16:31:32+02:00 2015-08-31T16:31:32+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=10704&p=108927#p108927 <![CDATA[Re: The dynamics of the game have gone to...]]> Statistics: Posted by CodingSquirrel — 31 Aug 2015, 16:31


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2015-08-31T16:30:06+02:00 2015-08-31T16:30:06+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=10704&p=108926#p108926 <![CDATA[Re: The dynamics of the game have gone to...]]> Statistics: Posted by Col_Walter_Kurtz — 31 Aug 2015, 16:30


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2015-08-31T15:17:18+02:00 2015-08-31T15:17:18+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=10704&p=108920#p108920 <![CDATA[Re: The dynamics of the game have gone to...]]>
And about that game, you do realize that with a little mass and energy left over and a base full of reclaim that you can get back on your feet within a few minutes?

" This allows any cheating player to cheat without being caught since the replay function of FAF does not detect those cheats." Hahahahahaahahahahahaha Ok sorry I just couldn't keep my laugh in, the replay desync has been there since the start of the game so idk what faf's fault is here. And also the people at faf do this for FREE, yes thats right they waste their time to let people like you have fun. And you know what they get from stupid accusations like this? Stress. Seriously though people are sitting on their ass criticising something that is offered for FREE, yes they don't earn a single penny.

It's free so you can't be surprised that it's not perfect (Well I guess you're the living proof that you can). Hell this lobby is better than some included with nearly-AAA title games, and it's FREE, so stop blaming and moaning at faf and PM the mod team.

...Which will probably deny your ban request because the person isn't cheating and you were just way to quick with the hackusations.

Oh and please if you have any more stupid stuff to moan about faf go make your own lobby and see if you can do better :)

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2015-08-31T13:44:58+02:00 2015-08-31T13:44:58+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=10704&p=108914#p108914 <![CDATA[Re: The dynamics of the game have gone to...]]> Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 31 Aug 2015, 13:44


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2015-08-31T13:46:30+02:00 2015-08-31T13:42:09+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=10704&p=108913#p108913 <![CDATA[Re: The dynamics of the game have gone to...]]> Maybe your t3 units were titans and his t2 units were obsidians, need more details and not desynced replay...

Replays that stored locally on your pc have more chance to be not desynced

Also make sure you have played without sim mods and on map without scripts

Edit: Even if replay is desynced still show us, we can parse it and see if "cheating" was "on" or what mods were there and game version and map version.
Need less text and more info

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2015-08-31T13:27:28+02:00 2015-08-31T13:27:28+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=10704&p=108910#p108910 <![CDATA[Re: The dynamics of the game have gone to...]]>
- Mods & Admins don't receive donations
- I have never experienced cheating in my 1600+ FAF games (aside from ecomod, but that doesn't make such a significant difference + you can download it yourself from the mod vault if you think it makes the game unplayably unfair)
- Most people (also players higher rated than you) think the balance is much better than in gpg + the controversial changes were introduced while zep was in charge (don't bring visionik into this. If you have a problem with recent balance changes I suggest you contact Zock)
- Desynced replays are not accurate (obviously). That is why you get a desync message in middle of the screen. Because the replay is desynced. It's unwatchable. This has always been the case, if you think you got what it takes to fix this problem then go ahead everything is open source (unlike when zep was in charge)

The world is not against you. Mods and admins aren't evil. There is no cheating conspiracy in FAF. Stop assuming that everything is wrong

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2015-08-31T12:35:59+02:00 2015-08-31T12:35:59+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=10704&p=108905#p108905 <![CDATA[Re: The dynamics of the game have gone to...]]> There is no cheating (or really few)
The game isn t being design (by balance/coder team) to suit for no skill gameplay, and there is all accusation on map maker for doing bad map are outrageous.

It s your fault if got mad. Stop criticize people.

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2015-08-31T12:35:40+02:00 2015-08-31T12:35:40+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=10704&p=108904#p108904 <![CDATA[Re: The dynamics of the game have gone to...]]>

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2015-08-31T11:06:06+02:00 2015-08-31T11:06:06+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=10704&p=108895#p108895 <![CDATA[Re: The dynamics of the game have gone to...]]>
The donations go to Visionik and are only used to pay for the server cost and maybe for turnaments. Nobody gets paid anything we're all doing this in our free time.

About the maps there is nothing you can do since people are allowed to play whaterver maps they like and the lesser skilled have a strange attraction to badly made turtle maps. The only exclusion to this are maps that have intentionaly unbalanced reclaim, report them to get them removed. We could maybe promote better maps on the what's new page more often and a rework of the mod vault will come at some point in the future and maybe we can implement a map of the week mechanic.

Yes the T3 mAA was a mistake and most people agree on that and there are discussions on how to change air and there is an option in the lobby to disable it. UI mods have also been discussed intensivly. The engy mod change was made to reduce the clutter and sim slowdown cause by large amounts of t1 engys and make assisting with higher tech engys and building more factories viable as well.

So if you have any problems, opinoins on changes or ideas make separate posts and discuss them there.

Statistics: Posted by DeimosEvotec — 31 Aug 2015, 11:06


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2015-08-31T10:55:53+02:00 2015-08-31T10:55:53+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=10704&p=108894#p108894 <![CDATA[Re: The dynamics of the game have gone to...]]>
Onto the cheating part, wow. I don't recognize any of this either. At first I though you were maybe talking about ecomod which pauses stuff for you based on available income, but you are clearly talking about actual cheats.

greatgm wrote:
1. ACU seem to be upgraded from the begnning of the game knowing that in order to upgrade an ACU you need resources. So how on Earth a person comes into the game with an upgraded ACU as early as 1 minute into the game?
2. Point Defenses have abnormally longer range than the point defenses I would use and more power.
3. ACU's have higher hit points than normal
4. My partner and I have seen groups of L-2 Units take out large armies of L-3 units. Now I'm not saying that is not possible but you have to have twice the L-2 units to take out a siziable army of L-3 Units. My partner and I seen L-2 units, for exmaple 5 L-2 unites take out 10-15 high powered L-3 units? That makes no sense.


This kind of blatant cheating I have never seen before, in all my Supcom years. It would be so esy to spot that a ban is inevitable too I suppose. Your story about losing to T3 units was incoherent at best. There is just no way I can respond to that with anything else, sorry.

What is your FAF username by the way?

Statistics: Posted by Col_Walter_Kurtz — 31 Aug 2015, 10:55


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2015-08-31T10:16:25+02:00 2015-08-31T10:16:25+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=10704&p=108891#p108891 <![CDATA[Re: The dynamics of the game have gone to...]]>
Never had problems with cheating...just one time...reported it...guy got banned!
Desync replays show shit...so...shouldnt happen all the time so you would have enough proof for your accusations. So please provide replays.

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2015-08-31T08:54:20+02:00 2015-08-31T08:54:20+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=10704&p=108888#p108888 <![CDATA[Re: The dynamics of the game have gone to...]]> Statistics: Posted by benikens — 31 Aug 2015, 08:54


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