Forged Alliance Forever

Re: UI mods

2015-08-01T00:06:13+02:00

1. Ban all UI mods
2. Integrate useful UI mods in the game
3. Much rejoicing

Statistics: Posted by Wakke — 01 Aug 2015, 00:06

Re: UI mods

2015-07-30T22:09:35+02:00

alright so I feel like in the end what everyone wants is not too far apart. why don't we fuse some of the most core UI mod features in vanilla FA allthewhile patching out even more exploits (which i feel is what FAF has done over and over and over again since it existed)?

Statistics: Posted by tatsu — 30 Jul 2015, 22:09

Re: UI mods

2015-07-30T20:11:46+02:00

@SC
You'll find that 1v1 players do not think ecomanager is cheating in 1v1 - we know it's unhelpful there. Most of the problem that I and many others have is a purely idealogical one with it

Also the definitions of "OK UI-Mod and non OK UI-Mod" I read here are basically just saying one thing: "OK-UI mod = whatever I am comfortable using", "Non-OK UI-Mod = whatever ever other players are comfortable with, but I am not".

My opinion on it is if a mod is doing things for you then it is not ok. I feel like if you are not imputing the commands , the mod is doing it for you, then that's not ok, regardless of whether it is a hindrance or a help.

That's my definition, and there are those who agree with me, and you can disagree if you like but please don't call it "what i'm not comfortable using". That's not true. I don't want to use it because it's playing a part of the game for me.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 30 Jul 2015, 20:11

Re: UI mods

2015-07-30T17:01:31+02:00

Anihilnine wrote:
Morax is there really a ui mod that lets you see without fog of war?

Yes it does. It's been discussed with me a number of times and they're credible sources. I haven't seen it myself yet bu the source is good.

Sheeo, could you help here and repeat what you stated on this matter?

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 30 Jul 2015, 17:01

Re: UI mods

2015-07-30T16:18:31+02:00

there was same discussion half year ago. All same arguments. And im sure thats not the 1st circle.

Statistics: Posted by justmakenewgame — 30 Jul 2015, 16:18

Re: UI mods

2015-07-30T16:01:13+02:00

Col_Walter_Kurtz wrote:
I don't think such mod exists. But you might know better if it is even possible to make such a thing.

I do know there was some accusations flying about between certain players, but there was 0 proof.

No, there is epic proof

Everyone who says shit about eco manager and how much of an advantage it gives has no credibility at all if he hasn't at least tried it.. and played massively better with it. Also the definitions of "OK UI-Mod and non OK UI-Mod" I read here are basically just saying one thing: "OK-UI mod = whatever I am comfortable using", "Non-OK UI-Mod = whatever ever other players are comfortable with, but I am not". Furthermore stop cheat accusations. Cheating is every thing that is against the rules agreed to by all players, if it was forbidden to micro LABs, microing them would be cheating. If someone hosts a game titled "no ui mods" and you use ANY ui mod, you are cheating. If someone hosts a game titled "Eco Manager mandatory" and you don't enable it then you are also cheating.

Mass fab manager was already around in supcom vanilla and uses the exact same functions eco manager uses and was never considered. Both mods do nothing but pausing and unpausing. One big downside of using SACUs for eco is having to manually upgrading them. GAZUI's SACU manager auto upgrades them, which makes SACU economy viable without having to spend 100 apm at upgrading sacus starting every upgrade individually.

If I play air I don't use ecomanager pausing cause it is not efficient enough when you have some time to manage eco manually. In 1v1 I have to remember to turn it off cause it prevents T1 mexes from being built when stalling eco, which is often the case. It is more often an autolose than a contribution to a victory. Nothing that could not be changed with some improvement to the code so it ignores T1 mexes, but it shows pretty clearly that people stating that eco manager gives you massive advantage in 1v1 ladder don't have the slightest clues what they are talking about. How can you pretend that X is good or easy to do without you ever even attempting to try it yourself?

Statistics: Posted by SC-Account — 30 Jul 2015, 16:01

Re: UI mods

2015-07-30T15:56:29+02:00

Morax is there really a ui mod that lets you see without fog of war?

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 30 Jul 2015, 15:56

Re: UI mods

2015-07-30T15:22:44+02:00

What game doesn't have "cheats"? There are going to be cheaters in any form of competition whether it's FaF, sports, etc, etc.

I don't know how common it is among FaF but I'd be willing to bet it's not non-existent.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 30 Jul 2015, 15:22

Re: UI mods

2015-07-30T14:35:29+02:00

ckitching wrote:
Anihilnine wrote:
The ui mod that Morax described, where fog of war is effectively turned off, and you can see everything

Morax is there really a ui mod that lets you see without fog of war?

Sounds like it needs blacklisting.

I don't think such mod exists. But you might know better if it is even possible to make such a thing.

I do know there was some accusations flying about between certain players, but there was 0 proof.

Statistics: Posted by Col_Walter_Kurtz — 30 Jul 2015, 14:35

Re: UI mods

2015-07-30T14:23:10+02:00

Anihilnine wrote:
The ui mod that Morax described, where fog of war is effectively turned off, and you can see everything

Morax is there really a ui mod that lets you see without fog of war?

Sounds like it needs blacklisting.

Statistics: Posted by ckitching — 30 Jul 2015, 14:23

Re: UI mods

2015-07-30T06:08:23+02:00

fight fight fight fight!

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 30 Jul 2015, 06:08

Re: UI mods

2015-07-30T05:28:10+02:00

Lionhardt wrote:
Misaniovent wrote:
Lionhardt wrote:imo eco manager adds functionality that the base game is lacking, because there is no way to do all the micro required.

Lionhardt wrote:
That's a hack. Because it allows you to do things you could not even theoretically do without it.

hmm.

No, I am not contradicting myself. All UI mods add functionality the base game is lacking. I said because there is no way to do all the micro required VERSUS Because it allows you to do things you could not even theoretically do without it.

Not theoretically do vs. no practically do

This is REALLY not hard to understand!

On the contrary, I'm not sure if you have conceded our points either, of which we feel are not hard to understand either

Statistics: Posted by theeggroll — 30 Jul 2015, 05:28

Re: UI mods

2015-07-30T04:12:56+02:00

Misaniovent wrote:
Lionhardt wrote:imo eco manager adds functionality that the base game is lacking, because there is no way to do all the micro required.

Lionhardt wrote:
That's a hack. Because it allows you to do things you could not even theoretically do without it.

hmm.

No, I am not contradicting myself. All UI mods add functionality the base game is lacking. I said because there is no way to do all the micro required VERSUS Because it allows you to do things you could not even theoretically do without it.

Not theoretically do vs. no practically do

This is REALLY not hard to understand!

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 30 Jul 2015, 04:12

Re: UI mods

2015-07-30T04:06:17+02:00

The ui mod that Morax described, where fog of war is effectively turned off, and you can see everything

Morax is there really a ui mod that lets you see without fog of war?

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 30 Jul 2015, 04:06

Re: UI mods

2015-07-30T03:58:43+02:00

I thought about that too. I think its a good idea.

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 30 Jul 2015, 03:58