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Re: On Sportsmanship

2015-07-08T03:33:07+02:00

Ionic wrote:
To better define teams are shit = 1200 1500 1100 1800 vs 900 1200 700 1500(me)

You play since it is the only game up and the game isn't balanced because the other side is a team. I play these sometimes.

And if you win, you get huge points.

Zoram wrote:
briang wrote:I'm pretty sure that move cannot even be given a rating... that is like AFK level noob xD

well, it does happen ... had a game on seton once where a sea player was afk for 15 minutes. I knew because he apologised upon coming back. it was too weird and absurd to get upset about.

If it's a problem, I say; TML the afk player (assuming full share). Or just ground attack. 15 minutes is a bit extreme, but late-game I walk out to take a piss / get drinks / get food all the time.

briang wrote:
There is no problem with pushing after a DC. Frankly I think it would be dumb not to... since it happens to everybody it likely all evens out in the end. I also have no problem with people abusing SCUs... they're a part of the game and everyone has the opportunity, again it just seems illogical not to. I think the real debate comes in ctrlk situations. I often ctrlk all my shit when game is lost and I'm particularly unhappy with my team, sometimes just one . People QQ about it a lot, not that I care about their QQing. IMO if you fail hard enough to make me want to ctrlk there is no reason for me to play my ass off trying to salvage the game when you sure as hell don't deserve any points for a win you had nothing to do with. I personally feel guilty getting points in a game I play horribly in.

Wahaha, lol no. Lots of hosts just put the aussies / NZ / south America players in the other team. People that do that, have inflated rating simply because they manipulate the lobby to have the disconnecters on the other team.

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 08 Jul 2015, 03:33

Re: On Sportsmanship

2015-07-08T00:05:01+02:00

I got my head around some of it..

Statistics: Posted by =M.V.K.= — 08 Jul 2015, 00:05

Re: On Sportsmanship

2015-07-06T05:28:44+02:00

Topic is so childish

SC-Account wrote:
There is just one difference between a good person and a bad person:
The good person seeks for a compromise that is favourable and acceptable for each side. The bad person does not care for a compromise, but for fulfilment of his own goals only. So if you are a good person, just talk to the people that you are complaining about. When it comes to bugusing, OP units, disconnects etc.. gentlemen agreements work best (but that might mean that you will have to agree to their restrictions as well, no ACU tml for example).

what is this? A new religion telling people what is good and whats bad ?

Statistics: Posted by justmakenewgame — 06 Jul 2015, 05:28

Re: On Sportsmanship

2015-07-06T05:02:26+02:00

briang wrote:
Pfff SC I recall a certain Ahwassa being offmapped to kill a certain anti-nuke. Gentleman's agreement my ass.

No offmap was gentlemen's agreement at gpg.. now it is handled by "great" offmap script that does not really prevent offmap but screws with unit orders near map border all the time in an annoying way. Also Ahwassa wasn't offmapped to kill any particular in game structure, but to kill galags sanity.

Statistics: Posted by SC-Account — 06 Jul 2015, 05:02

Re: On Sportsmanship

2015-07-06T04:13:44+02:00

"Offmapped" happens often though..for about anything..but not be intended but still..

Statistics: Posted by =M.V.K.= — 06 Jul 2015, 04:13

Re: On Sportsmanship

2015-07-02T23:59:46+02:00

There is just one difference between a good person and a bad person:
The good person seeks for a compromise that is favourable and acceptable for each side. The bad person does not care for a compromise, but for fulfilment of his own goals only. So if you are a good person, just talk to the people that you are complaining about. When it comes to bugusing, OP units, disconnects etc.. gentlemen agreements work best (but that might mean that you will have to agree to their restrictions as well, no ACU tml for example).

Statistics: Posted by SC-Account — 02 Jul 2015, 23:59

Re: On Sportsmanship

2015-07-02T19:25:16+02:00

Nothing you do will raise the level of skill without an equilibrium shift. I don't think limiting the maps people want to play will do that and I don't think stopping the capture of rating on certain maps will do that either. If anything it will skew artificially against the true direction of the player base.

Gap doesn't make players bad. Shitty play makes them bad. building 50 scouts and having them circle a spot, not building enough TMD or staying under shields. I mean I think I've seen more commanders die at 18 min in gap because of the monkey than any other tactic in this game and it isn't like it isn't predictable. These are the "well known ways to lose" TML attacks against poorly protected players, Monkey in the face at 18 min, early Strat bombing at 14 min crippling your eco, massed strat bombing on unshielded coms around 20 min, 20-23 min Early Strat nuke rush, 23-26 min Telemazor (FNG awesome by the way)

Last nite I had a game where I caught 5-6 Strat bombers at 17 min on their first pass on a poorly defended set of ACUs just in time to prevent those 2 ACUs from getting tanked, meanwhile guy on the top was TMLed by TML farm detected by the scouting just not identified. and it was our fault that we weren't scouting never mind they had 50+ T1 scouts flying over mid. Then another dumb shit kept pausing the game because the ACU next to him was upgrading and he thought he was AFK and there was a monkey en route, 15 seconds later the
supposed AFK player moves 5 steps to engage the monkey survives meanwhile the ass clock who kept pausing the game didn't bother to move his ACU at all. TOO BUSY WATCHING OTHER GUYS do their thing, not enough FOCUS ON HIS OWN ARMY.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo0m8WyXwLo

Players either want to be good or they don't. Those that don't want to improve go on my list.

Statistics: Posted by KD7BCH — 02 Jul 2015, 19:25

Re: On Sportsmanship

2015-07-01T00:38:27+02:00

briang wrote:
I'm pretty sure that move cannot even be given a rating... that is like AFK level noob xD

well, it does happen ... had a game on seton once where a sea player was afk for 15 minutes. I knew because he apologised upon coming back. it was too weird and absurd to get upset about.

Statistics: Posted by Zoram — 01 Jul 2015, 00:38

Re: On Sportsmanship

2015-07-01T00:08:13+02:00

I don't care how people play the vast majority of times, we all have our good and bad games. If you are 700 I expect 300-1400 play, if you are 1800 I expect 1000-perfect. For example, check out my last gap game. The player stood on the hill after 7-8 pings and 4-5 chat messages about a ML incoming. I never complained, I built what I could to make sure the ML turned around and allowed the 1200 to get away. Sure that was a 500 rating move, but no big deal and for me it is one of the variables that make team games fun. I was laughing to myself, because there wasn't much I could do.

The team that doesn't want split and is OP has never once complained about a cheesy method of trying to win.. and that is why it is an exception for me.

Statistics: Posted by Ionic — 01 Jul 2015, 00:08

Re: On Sportsmanship

2015-06-30T23:38:37+02:00

Ionic wrote:
To better define teams are shit = 1200 1500 1100 1800 vs 900 1200 700 1500(me)

You play since it is the only game up and the game isn't balanced because the other side is a team. I play these sometimes.

then you know what you get into and have no ground for acting like an ass

I don't play custom for many reasons, one (albeit minor reason) being that I don't find it enjoyable to spend time being insulted (or reading people insulting others) by people who can't keep their shit together. I mean it says in the lobby : 30 games, 700 rating.

I understand that you don't always find the type of game that suits your need, but then once you click ready you accept there will be a "noob" in the team that might play stupidly compared to your expectations.

Statistics: Posted by Zoram — 30 Jun 2015, 23:38

Re: On Sportsmanship

2015-06-30T22:44:28+02:00

To better define teams are shit = 1200 1500 1100 1800 vs 900 1200 700 1500(me)

You play since it is the only game up and the game isn't balanced because the other side is a team. I play these sometimes.

Statistics: Posted by Ionic — 30 Jun 2015, 22:44

Re: On Sportsmanship

2015-06-30T22:19:01+02:00

Ionic wrote:
If you are playing vs someone you hate or the teams are shit, then do whatever you want.

"teams are shit" is the excuse anyone doing that is giving, so by your own account, you are a "crappy person"

Statistics: Posted by Zoram — 30 Jun 2015, 22:19

Re: On Sportsmanship

2015-06-30T20:55:34+02:00

Adding my very valuable opinion!

Crtl-K your whole base on a map that was launched as full share is playing not as intended. It is being a crappy person, if you do it often then you are a crappy person.

SACU that can't be shot by using pretty much no micro skill is an exploit and should be avoided in balanced casual gameplay. If you are playing vs someone you hate or the teams are shit, then do whatever you want. This is the same with tac pac (I mention this every chance I can. Fix SACU, fix tac pac so one tmd shoots it down and, take away some aoe so you can't KO a com so easy.

DC with immediate attack is borderline, more toward the crappy person thread. Personally I generally give the other team 1-2 minutes to recover slightly then attack. The exceptions are again if I hate someone or the teams are shit.

Statistics: Posted by Ionic — 30 Jun 2015, 20:55

Re: On Sportsmanship

2015-06-30T14:58:46+02:00

DC can happen, that's bad luck (and/or poor connection). If it happens always with some players, I can understand why some may not want to play with them anymore. If it happens once in a while, well, live with it.

I personally prefer share until death as well, but that's debatable endlessly. Pick as you prefer and don't complain.

DC or not, when a base is "emptied" by the death of an ACU, I believe it's more fun. There's still a big chance for someone to have a double eco, but you have to earn it. You can still win the game if YOU do it correctly (depends on the map, of course).

The only issue in this thread is the exploit. That needs a fix. 3641 is the answer.

Statistics: Posted by Flexable — 30 Jun 2015, 14:58

Re: On Sportsmanship

2015-06-30T08:13:17+02:00

Prime example how NOT to improve this game...
1. It does not even out, and here is why: evening out means same chance for everyone to suffer from dc. In fact, some people avoid specific players while others don't (for example because they know about the likely dc). It becomes especially prominent when playing with/against higher ranked players (see Speed2's post). So, no, not even at all.
2. Abusing (!) should never be ok as the name per definitionem indicates. Saying you can counter with same abuse - ya, good luck abusing Aeon SACUS vs UEF ones. 1 sideways walking UEF Rambo killing 5 Percys who shoot right through it... well, some consider that a problem. If you keep abusing things as if they were normal, things will never change (change as in improve).
Makes me sad to see when higher ranked players have this mindset. Like many high ranked didn't care about the sat-yolo-block issue.

Statistics: Posted by --- — 30 Jun 2015, 08:13