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Re: Thoughts on the Ranked Map Pool

2012-04-16T09:03:48+02:00

FunkOff wrote:
thygrrr wrote: Alternatively, buff Medusas (e.g. increase projectile speed)

How many times do I have to explain this to people?

Medusas have high arch fire. This means the projectile is fired at the highest of the 2 possible arcs to hit the target. Because it's the high arc, instead of the low arc, there is a lot of "air time" before the shell hits the ground/target. This is the time it takes gravity to decelerate the shell to a stop, and then pull it back down to earth. If the projectile velocity were INCREASED, the would take gravity LONGER to decelerate the shell to a stop, and LONGER to pull it down to earth. Higher projectile velocity is only better for units that have low arc. What you want is lower projectile velocity.

thank god its like that, thats what FA makes FA. PHYSICS YEAH

Statistics: Posted by Kryo — 16 Apr 2012, 09:03

Re: Thoughts on the Ranked Map Pool

2012-04-15T19:09:57+02:00

I personally feel balmyFA shouldnt be in pool. Its randomly undulated terrain is very annoying. Pds, auroras or any direct fire units will end up most of times hitting just ground. Height differences are ok, as long as u can tell where they are without huge effort (like: this is hill, this is mountain) but when entire map is just randomly turned into bumpy terrain, its annoying as heck to play.

Statistics: Posted by Tiptushi — 15 Apr 2012, 19:09

Re: Thoughts on the Ranked Map Pool

2012-04-12T17:55:56+02:00

I checked with the 3599 DB and the only faction that didn't get +.1to the tank was Cybran... so, I won't -.1 to them either.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 12 Apr 2012, 17:55

Re: Thoughts on the Ranked Map Pool

2012-04-12T17:17:24+02:00

For all factions. The change wasn't needed in the first place, T1 was one of the most balanced thing.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 12 Apr 2012, 17:17

Re: Thoughts on the Ranked Map Pool

2012-04-12T17:13:00+02:00

Ze_PilOt wrote:
And it's really a random change that wasn't needed. It's maybe time to revert it.

-.1 aurora speed then? I can code that.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 12 Apr 2012, 17:13

Re: Thoughts on the Ranked Map Pool

2012-04-12T17:08:42+02:00

And it's really a random change that wasn't needed. It's maybe time to revert it.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 12 Apr 2012, 17:08

Re: Thoughts on the Ranked Map Pool

2012-04-12T16:57:47+02:00

Anaryl wrote:
thygrrr wrote:Auroras need less acceleration and less turn rate, Mantis need more Speed (both movement and projectile) as well as acceleration and turn rate. Alternatively, buff Medusas (e.g. increase projectile speed)

It's barely possible to charge Auroras with Mantis, on maps like Theta the Auroras can kite indefinitely.

I'm just curious as to why they were buffed in the first place - the balance team looked at this and said "yes the aurora needs a speed buff, that should balance it real good" & then they went back to drinking rubbing alcohol mixed with mouthwash and psuedoephedrine.

The aurora speed buff was decided for 3603... IE... like 4 years ago. I think all T1 tanks got a 0.1 speed buff... but it makes the most difference on the aurora

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 12 Apr 2012, 16:57

Re: Thoughts on the Ranked Map Pool

2012-04-12T16:35:48+02:00

Anaryl wrote:
Yes not AS pronounced - it's still there though. And let's face it, how many maps in the pool are aurora unfriendly? I can't think of any off the top of my head. No doubt theres a couple but I can think of a helluva lot more that are.

None, hehe.

Of course, UEF hasn't really got any problems dealing with auroras, I don't think. Cybran and Seraphim get their shit kicked by them, however.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 12 Apr 2012, 16:35

Re: Thoughts on the Ranked Map Pool

2012-04-12T16:35:05+02:00

thygrrr wrote:
Alternatively, buff Medusas (e.g. increase projectile speed)

How many times do I have to explain this to people?

Medusas have high arch fire. This means the projectile is fired at the highest of the 2 possible arcs to hit the target. Because it's the high arc, instead of the low arc, there is a lot of "air time" before the shell hits the ground/target. This is the time it takes gravity to decelerate the shell to a stop, and then pull it back down to earth. If the projectile velocity were INCREASED, the would take gravity LONGER to decelerate the shell to a stop, and LONGER to pull it down to earth. Higher projectile velocity is only better for units that have low arc. What you want is lower projectile velocity.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 12 Apr 2012, 16:35

Re: Thoughts on the Ranked Map Pool

2012-04-12T16:30:37+02:00

Auroras need less acceleration and less turn rate, Mantis need more Speed (both movement and projectile) as well as acceleration and turn rate. Alternatively, buff Medusas (e.g. increase projectile speed)

It's barely possible to charge Auroras with Mantis, on maps like Theta the Auroras can kite indefinitely.

Statistics: Posted by thygrrr — 12 Apr 2012, 16:30

Re: Thoughts on the Ranked Map Pool

2012-04-12T15:59:53+02:00

Kryo wrote:
Anaryl wrote:I think that holds true for most maps right now. Auroras are OP.

but plain wide maps make it easier for Aeon. If there are some chokepoints and passes you can counter it better with arty

Indeed. Auroras rape face on maps where they can easily kite. On maps where they can't manuever so much, it's not as pronounced.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 12 Apr 2012, 15:59

Re: Thoughts on the Ranked Map Pool

2012-04-12T15:44:01+02:00

I would simply give UEF and Cybran-T1 an Submarine-Mode to be able to Counterattack on Maps with much Water.
So the whole diskussion about Aurora spam on certain Maps goes down the River.

Thats thought too simple again or?

Statistics: Posted by Jace — 12 Apr 2012, 15:44

Re: Thoughts on the Ranked Map Pool

2012-04-12T15:04:09+02:00

Anaryl wrote:
I think that holds true for most maps right now. Auroras are OP.

but plain wide maps make it easier for Aeon. If there are some chokepoints and passes you can counter it better with arty

Statistics: Posted by Kryo — 12 Apr 2012, 15:04

Re: Thoughts on the Ranked Map Pool

2012-04-12T09:36:46+02:00

Anaryl wrote:
Are you saying it's impossible to beat Aeon or it's impossible to win as Aeon on this map?

I don't think it's true. I've even seen players ignore the plateau and come close to beating a superior player. I don't have the balls to try it in ranked but I think it's doable.

Well of course the aeon can lose if he makes huge mistakes, but a decent aeon player, just able to micro 4 or 5 auroras have a freewin on this map...

Statistics: Posted by Lu_Xun_17 — 12 Apr 2012, 09:36

Re: Thoughts on the Ranked Map Pool

2012-04-12T08:27:50+02:00

I have huge doubts about MoonShine. Aeon are i think unwinnable on this map. (As said a teammate yesterday, no one currently complains about MoonShine, as all the "forum&ranked active players" now switched to Aeon.)

+ in my opinion, this map has absolutly no interest, just a bo to learn off by heart...

Statistics: Posted by Lu_Xun_17 — 12 Apr 2012, 08:27