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Re: Is PD creep fair? How do you counter?

2012-03-07T15:38:31+02:00

FunkOff wrote:
Overcharge does more damage to structures in 3612

What is the damage to buildings now I know it is 400 for ACU and 12000 for units (as indicated in unit database).

Statistics: Posted by X-Peri-MENTAL — 07 Mar 2012, 15:38

Re: Is PD creep fair? How do you counter?

2012-03-04T12:32:32+02:00

T3 Tower creep ist realy realy expensive.. When you see him upgrading to t3, start building up energy and mobile shields. In combination with 2-3 normal shields, this combination needs alot of Ravagers before its broken, and if it is, you can easily back off with the mobile shields and do the same thing again. It buys you insane amounts of time, just be sure you have enough spare energy to support it.

Statistics: Posted by Pavese — 04 Mar 2012, 12:32

Re: Is PD creep fair? How do you counter?

2012-03-03T22:59:50+02:00

Part of the main issue with pd creeping is shields, and with shields come the main issue of their insane regen rates (talking 600 health per second) given t3 artillery does effectively 75 damage per second there is no real mass effective counter to a strong pd/shield push. Especially when t3 pds come into play.

Last game i encountered a t3 push I made 6 TML launchers and simply hit the enemy acu making t3 pds (I guess he thought he was safe under a shield) during which time i made 4 t3 mobile artillery to slow the crawl, but it felt ineffective at best. Even the TML's weren't really mass effective and it required my enemy acu not noticing. Hardly fine strategic play is it

It is something the balance team are looking into for 3612 and onwards.

Statistics: Posted by wetlettuce — 03 Mar 2012, 22:59

Re: Is PD creep fair? How do you counter?

2012-03-03T22:30:30+02:00

Depends on the Situation. If i have a lot Units, i make some additional Artys and overrun him. If i am T2, i get some MMLs fast. If i have aircontrol, i do some bombers, preferable t2 bombers.

If possible, you can go with units or bomber for his eco if you're not sure if you can get his firebase.

T2 PD creep is strong, the best is you stop it before he can make many PDs. If he got not many Units, don't let him make PDs at the front. Atack him, force him to retreat and slowly tower himself forward from his last PD. That will cost him a lot additional PDs instead of just setting a tower in front of your base and gives you time to make more units.

While it is strong, a lot players tend to overrate the firepower of the T2 PDs against a huge T1 Army. It get easy overrolled. Be carefull if T1 PDs are mixen in, though.

If he wants to tower forward, force him to build a shield and maybe a stealth by making a pd just out of range of his PD. After he made it and an additional PD to kill yours, reclaim it fast.

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 03 Mar 2012, 22:30

Re: Is PD creep fair? How do you counter?

2012-03-03T21:20:38+02:00

ok lets say youre aeon or cybran. and a uef player has started construction on ravagers under a shield that will destroy one of your mass sites, giving you an eco disadvantage if theyre completed. What do you do?

Statistics: Posted by TheStrategist — 03 Mar 2012, 21:20

Re: Is PD creep fair? How do you counter?

2012-03-03T18:12:17+02:00

TheStrategist wrote:
EDIT: Seems the replay doesn't work for some unknown reason. A couple of my replays of different games were replaced with an identical replay file of the same wrong game.

The problem is that FA's "Save Replay" function doesn't save the last replay, it just copies a replay named "LastGame.SCFAReplay" to the new filename you gave it.

We don't create a new "LastGame.SCFAReplay" since a lot of updates, so it's always taking the same old game.

Your actual game has an unique name with the DATE and TIME as part of the filename.

The broken SaveReplay function will be removed from the game in one of the coming updates.

Statistics: Posted by thygrrr — 03 Mar 2012, 18:12

Re: Is PD creep fair? How do you counter?

2012-03-03T17:52:18+02:00

"Is PD creep fair?" Yes its fair why wouldn't it be? the first thing you need to do is stop thinking things are "Unfair"

If its in the game its fair.

Statistics: Posted by SpinDrah — 03 Mar 2012, 17:52

Re: Is PD creep fair? How do you counter?

2012-03-03T17:31:14+02:00

To counter PD creep, you can either upgrade an ACU and charge the PDs... Overcharge does more damage to structures in 3612. You can also use air (gunships) or land (MMLs) or structure (TML) based counters. Or, you cna just go around the PDs and attack his flank. Lots of options.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 03 Mar 2012, 17:31

Re: Is PD creep fair? How do you counter?

2012-03-03T14:55:36+02:00

Oh . My bad.

Statistics: Posted by Nizar89 — 03 Mar 2012, 14:55

Re: Is PD creep fair? How do you counter?

2012-03-03T14:28:29+02:00

well I think this is not a canis game...

Statistics: Posted by Kryo — 03 Mar 2012, 14:28

Re: Is PD creep fair? How do you counter?

2012-03-03T14:18:12+02:00

Pavese's post just disappear, but even if he was too rude, he got a point: you did not scoot, did not expand, did not have a T3/T2 radar, and you have made T3 transports without units to transport and without T3 pgen.
T2 PDs are effective against T2 tanks, and that's why you build them.

If you wished to win with a drop, first of all scoot!
Against an IA with no ASF, T3 transport are useless. You should have made T2 transport 10 minutes before, some heavy tanks, mobile AA and shield.

Statistics: Posted by Nizar89 — 03 Mar 2012, 14:18

Re: Is PD creep fair? How do you counter?

2012-03-03T12:02:49+02:00

T1 Artillery, Bombers for early. PDs are expensive so if your build is good it shouldn't be a problem early game.

Statistics: Posted by Sunder — 03 Mar 2012, 12:02

Is PD creep fair? How do you counter?

2012-03-03T21:21:05+02:00

I've spent plenty of games fighting others who use the PD creep tactic and I cant figure out how to counter it.

One of the most frustrating but most fun games I've played is attached. Please watch and tell me what I should have done differently. General playing advice is also welcome.

EDIT: Seems the replay doesn't work for some unknown reason. A couple of my replays of different games were replaced with an identical replay file of the same wrong game.

Statistics: Posted by TheStrategist — 03 Mar 2012, 11:03