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Re: Decrease build time of Air units made by experimental ca

2012-02-14T02:43:47+02:00

FunkOff wrote:
ShadowKnight wrote: it is not difficult for the Atlantis to have a built in cost reduction.

How do you do it then?

I believe the easiest way to find out would be to take a look at how the BlackOps team did their Experimental Seraphim Archway. However, now I am awake, I think they may have used duplicate units with different costs... Which CAN be done, but is ugly. I think it may be possible to have an OnBuildStart check of some sort which finds the cost of the unit being built, then applies a multiplier... I'm not sure, you would have to ask a more experienced programmer than myself :/

As for th units being almost free, it wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem as it might seem at first. Everything in this game should be a strategic decision. If we make it so the Experimentals have extremely high build power, the strategy you are going for is massive air assault in a short period of time. On the flip side, if we reduced the costs by 90% and INCREASED the build time by 4 times, then the strategy would be to hide away very slowly building up a supplementary force for almost nothing while concentrating on another strategic option for your main assault. Unlike most RTS games SupCom has TIME as a resource, and IMO we have not yet seen this fact used to it's full potential.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 14 Feb 2012, 02:43

Re: Decrease build time of Air units made by experimental ca

2012-02-12T17:19:55+02:00

i think the sub factory is great for stealthed plane making...hiding 2 of them underwater while enemy scouting thinking u got 0 air..theen baaam.

build speed is good enough on the exp submarine..make engis assist it even if u want it faster...its mobile, it got anti air and great torpedo capability

Statistics: Posted by FlyingNorwegian — 12 Feb 2012, 17:19

Re: Decrease build time of Air units made by experimental ca

2012-02-12T17:14:35+02:00

Qosmius wrote:
did i just read a post where someone suggested t3 planes to basically be free?

Note the context: T3 planes coming from an experimental unit you sunk time and resources into that can do nothing else then build air units.

It's a matter of being useful in the context of other options. i.e. why would you build the experimental instead of just having air factories, whats the benefit/cost ratio.

Statistics: Posted by stimpack88 — 12 Feb 2012, 17:14

Re: Decrease build time of Air units made by experimental ca

2012-02-12T17:02:12+02:00

did i just read a post where someone suggested t3 planes to basically be free?

Statistics: Posted by FlyingNorwegian — 12 Feb 2012, 17:02

Re: Decrease build time of Air units made by experimental ca

2012-02-08T14:51:00+02:00

ShadowKnight wrote:
it is not difficult for the Atlantis to have a built in cost reduction.

How do you do it then?

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 08 Feb 2012, 14:51

Re: Decrease build time of Air units made by experimental ca

2012-02-08T08:05:57+02:00

Frankly Funk at this point the efficiency numbers are in the wind: Who cares how it compares per mass to building Engineers? At that stage in the game, and in this situation, nobody.

Personally, I think a good balance would be an ASF every 5 seconds. Funk, can you do the numbers for this? I am too tired and heading for bed.

Also we might want to consider the alternative: Instead of speeding up production, it is not difficult for the Atlantis to have a built in cost reduction. So even if it takes longer to build them, if they are built at an 80% cost reduction that is a significant advantage over time...

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 08 Feb 2012, 08:05

Re: Decrease build time of Air units made by experimental ca

2012-02-08T02:55:33+02:00

ShadowKnight wrote:
I would possibly support that, but bear in mind that such incredibly production speeds mean a VERY large resource/s drain.

Indeed.

Bear in mind the following statistics: Producing an ASF in 1 second means that the Atlantis uses -400 mass and -40,000 energy.

Further, to do so would require a build power of 4000. With that much build power, it would have one build power for every 3 mass cost, making it more than 3 times as efficient at building than tech 1 engineers.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 08 Feb 2012, 02:55

Re: Decrease build time of Air units made by experimental ca

2012-02-08T02:40:49+02:00

I would possibly support that, but bear in mind that such incredibly production speeds mean a VERY large resource/s drain.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 08 Feb 2012, 02:40

Re: Decrease build time of Air units made by experimental ca

2012-02-07T19:35:17+02:00

Then it should be even less. It should produce faster then aided factories. 1-2sec/unit.

Statistics: Posted by stimpack88 — 07 Feb 2012, 19:35

Re: Decrease build time of Air units made by experimental ca

2012-02-07T15:41:55+02:00

And considerably longer to build anything else. The man is right. They build at an impressive rate, but if you actually look in-game, it is almost never enough to be worth using them to do so when at that point a factory can pump out a Strategic Bomber every 8 seconds.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 07 Feb 2012, 15:41

Re: Decrease build time of Air units made by experimental ca

2012-02-07T15:00:19+02:00

It takes an Atlantis 12.5 seconds to build an ASF.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 07 Feb 2012, 15:00

Decrease build time of Air units made by experimental carrie

2012-02-07T19:34:55+02:00

On the UEF experimental... I noticed the build times for air out of the carrier/sub are pretty horrendous for an experimental. It should be pumping them out constantly at a decent clip less then 10 seconds build per unit for all air. Since you already spent all that time building the damn sub it should be an air superiority machine.

Statistics: Posted by stimpack88 — 07 Feb 2012, 11:48