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Re: Mercy Adjustment Mod

2012-01-15T12:14:18+02:00

I got another idea - If a mercy is aimed at a high HP unit that it does not overkill all those 8 missiles hit it. However say you fire a mercy at a group of pillars the mercys missiles split up into two groups of four and kill two different pillars. or another example say you fire one at a group of mantis. each of those little missiles hits a separate mantis.

This will mean they are not only useful for sniping. Kinda like a balance between the way the are in your mod and the way they are now so they wont be useless vs ACUs. I do think they need a range reduction to give AA more time to target but not much more of a nerf than that

Statistics: Posted by noobymcnoobcake — 15 Jan 2012, 12:14

Re: Mercy Adjustment Mod

2012-01-15T03:03:52+02:00

Definitely a cool idea and since the Aeon do not have a T2 bomber they probably could use a AOE weapon at T2 anyways.
On a side note though, the only thing that has been changed on the mercy since 3598 was its fuel was increased from 70 to 110, so the only thing that changed is that is easier to hoard large numbers of them before they run out of fuel and crash. My point is, it may be possible to balance them just by increasing the build time or playing around with the fuel time some more.

Statistics: Posted by microwavelazer — 15 Jan 2012, 03:03

Re: Mercy Adjustment Mod

2012-01-15T00:19:31+02:00

I had already suggested this idea, make a specific micro mod. That way players who are not capable of stopping mercies can just take the mod and play without them. no need to wait for a patch from Zep.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 15 Jan 2012, 00:19

Re: Mercy Adjustment Mod

2012-01-14T22:06:58+02:00

Incredible,

YOU REALLY REALLY don't want the mercys.You aren't allowed to nerf them and now >>they'll hit like a shotgun blast instead.<<Well it's a fantastic idea but I'm not up to do it in the next or another patch.

But why you didn't made a mod that just removes the mercys? I guess all are happy then.

-Prince

Statistics: Posted by Prince__ — 14 Jan 2012, 22:06

Re: Mercy Adjustment Mod

2012-01-14T16:55:13+02:00

Karottenrambo wrote:
I would still fix the hitbox and lower the range, just because they can not slaughter the acu so easily anymore it does not mean they should be allowed to outrange aa.

But they should not be stopped by one or two mobile t1 aa, thats why they should recieve more hp as return.

I encourage you to test it in the form provided and post feedback. I will then make additional changes as required.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 14 Jan 2012, 16:55

Re: Mercy Adjustment Mod

2012-01-14T16:53:05+02:00

I would still fix the hitbox and lower the range, just because they can not slaughter the acu so easily anymore it does not mean they should be allowed to outrange aa.

But they should not be stopped by one or two mobile t1 aa, thats why they should recieve more hp as return.

Statistics: Posted by Karottenrambo — 14 Jan 2012, 16:53

Re: Mercy Adjustment Mod

2012-01-14T16:48:00+02:00

uberge3k wrote:
The additional health, turn speed, and shotgun damage (!!!) will cause far more problems than they "solve". This will make mercies ridiculously OP as they can now cost-effectively slaughter ground units, and will be nigh invincible to any form of land AA.

This is why I hope to have this iteration of the mercy tested before implemented in a patch.

But I guess it'll be good to make people yearn for the good old days of mercies in their current state?

Ahahaha. That's certainly one way to look at it.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 14 Jan 2012, 16:48

Re: Mercy Adjustment Mod

2012-01-14T16:43:49+02:00

Kryo wrote:
Your shotgun idea is ok, but then damage is spread so much, is it really useful? idk

I encourage you to try it in its current form (in the mod). It's so strong it might actually be overpowered... it absolutely murders hordes of T1 and is strong against T2 and T3 as well.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 14 Jan 2012, 16:43

Re: Mercy Adjustment Mod

2012-01-14T13:18:22+02:00

Effectively doubling the mass required to kill an ACU won't stop the "problem" that people think is there - if 1800 mass is so inconsequential, why should 3600 be any different? And if people complain about the supposed "randomness" of mercies being hit by AA, why shouldn't people complain about the randomness of this new shotgun effect that would result in random amounts of damage done to a single target?

The additional health, turn speed, and shotgun damage (!!!) will cause far more problems than they "solve". This will make mercies ridiculously OP as they can now cost-effectively slaughter ground units, and will be nigh invincible to any form of land AA.

But I guess it'll be good to make people yearn for the good old days of mercies in their current state?

Statistics: Posted by uberge3k — 14 Jan 2012, 13:18

Re: Mercy Adjustment Mod

2012-01-14T11:47:10+02:00

well the question is, how can we make mercy work differently, so that it is still viable, but is not as dangerous as now for ACUs anymore.

Cost increase cant be the way, because then it will be used only for ACU even more.

Your shotgun idea is ok, but then damage is spread so much, is it really useful? idk

What could be other ideas? mine are:

1. extra shield damage + shotgun effect = fortification breaker ?

2. stun + shotgun effect = experimental stopper? (because their hitboxes are huge and stun is always good vs exps, stun of course not vs ACU)

Statistics: Posted by Kryo — 14 Jan 2012, 11:47

Re: Mercy Adjustment Mod

2012-01-14T02:18:29+02:00

Well, that is a funky idea. Zep suggested that it not auto track, ie if mercy looses line of sight it targets the last known destination. Shotgun idea tho... hmmm... thats changing the unit into something else entirely. Im not saying I dont like it, Im just saying its funky.

Statistics: Posted by ToejamS — 14 Jan 2012, 02:18

Re: Mercy Adjustment Mod

2012-01-13T21:59:52+02:00

Karottenrambo wrote:
Making the mercy viable in other situations than only in com snipe would propably the best solution.

Yes. If we only nerf the mercy and do not improve some aspect about it, it will just become another useless unit that will need to be buffed in the future. A change may as well do it right.

But the hp should be increased and the turn speed lowered .

I don't really consider hp or turn rate to be serious weaknesses of the mercy. The way the mercy is used now, it's only rarely that a shot lands on it, so buffing it's HP to 100 or so is unlikely to make an appreciable difference. Turn rate is also not really relevant because the mercy has no trouble reaching targets.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 13 Jan 2012, 21:59

Re: Mercy Adjustment Mod

2012-01-13T16:05:29+02:00

Making the mercy viable in other situations than only in com snipe would propably the best solution.

But the hp should be increased and the turn speed lowered (its as high as the turn speed of the Ahwassha, no kidding) too, to make it a more reliable unit.

Statistics: Posted by Karottenrambo — 13 Jan 2012, 16:05

Re: Mercy Adjustment Mod

2012-01-12T19:38:34+02:00

It was a one line of code addition lol .... I might tweak it to be more accurate tonight

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 12 Jan 2012, 19:38

Re: Mercy Adjustment Mod

2012-01-12T15:00:31+02:00

Funkoff, it's not just a mere "adjustment". It's a complete transformation of the unit. I just tested it : the shotgun spread is far too wide: you will never hit a unit you are targetting precisely, but a wide area just behind. This can be cool, as it can make holes in a base, or it can bring down shields very effectively. It works similarly, and looks similar to the Salavation weapon (I suspect you borrowed the weapon animation). But it is in no way a simple "adjustement".

I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying it changes completely the unit's role, and unless Pilot thinks the mercy would be better with this new role, there is no chance this can be used as just a simple "adjustment", similar to a range nerf for instance.

Good imagination there though.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 12 Jan 2012, 15:00