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Re: T2 Artillery

2011-09-08T12:57:09+02:00

I think its ok to buff them now that there are navy wreckages : an navy assaulting a base can now reclaim dead boats, and therefore becomes pretty hard to deal with. (I hvent tried though)

Statistics: Posted by Sapristi — 08 Sep 2011, 12:57

Re: T2 Artillery

2011-09-07T06:22:50+02:00

I think the are ok at this price if you just make it a bit more accurate. I like karottens first post ideas.

I nearly always use them as defence against ships and they are cheaper than a destroyer i think, making them more accurate will suffice.

Statistics: Posted by TAG_ROCK — 07 Sep 2011, 06:22

Re: T2 Artillery

2011-09-07T06:09:35+02:00

Increased range will make it easier to pressure sensitive areas as well as make the "surprise" arty bombard more effective. The shield idea is ok, but as long as it can still be used against ships in large naval maps, I don't really care much about it.

Statistics: Posted by Gunseng — 07 Sep 2011, 06:09

Re: T2 Artillery

2011-09-07T02:41:07+02:00

There is this mod which adds a 2nd firing mode. Allowing the arty increased range with a proportional increase in firing randomness. I believe the cost remained the same as it was in 3599.

Statistics: Posted by Treble — 07 Sep 2011, 02:41

Re: T2 Artillery

2011-09-07T01:58:03+02:00

Gowerly, there are 2 types of tracking: Unit and location. Unit tracking means the projectile will home in on the unit. Location tracking is when the missile homes in on the location that target unit had when the missile was fired. This lets weapons be extremely precise, but not very accurate.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 07 Sep 2011, 01:58

Re: T2 Artillery

2011-09-06T23:00:37+02:00

FunkOff wrote:
Gowerly, a range increase instead of a cost decrease is fair, in my mind, and I could do that. I'd still like to see the firing randomness lowered slightly, however: They can barely hit anything as it stands, and firing randomness makes accuracy worse the further away targets are. TMLs track location, however, and are therefor 100% pin-point accurate.

Wha? they don't track moving targets. You can't even hit a Megalith with them at range without prediction. I think you might mean something else, though.

Statistics: Posted by Gowerly — 06 Sep 2011, 23:00

Re: T2 Artillery

2011-09-07T14:16:19+02:00

I don't think an anti-turtle weapon should be stationary. I also think that this is covered by mobile t3 arty or sniper bots.

For me t2 artys purpose is:
Control the area in front of your base
- shell big incoming land armies
- Stop mml bombardment
- Kill sniper bots, mobile t3 arty
- stop tec 2 pd creep if no shields are up, or slow down
- counter or reduce t2 navy thread
Build in forward base as an alternative to tml
- kill t1 eng assist
- Force shields all over the base
- If you have a bigger eco, this is an easy way to put a lot of pressure on opponent (many shields -> need power -> spends a lot of mass
and time while you build your exp).

All of that would benefit by an inreased range or cost reduction.

Statistics: Posted by lebensnebel — 06 Sep 2011, 22:40

Re: T2 Artillery

2011-09-06T22:23:28+02:00

I always thought mobile t3 arty has the job to bombard the enemy base, break shields and stuff...

Statistics: Posted by Karottenrambo — 06 Sep 2011, 22:23

Re: T2 Artillery

2011-09-06T22:02:47+02:00

Random thought...

What if T2 arty were designed to be shield breakers?

Currently, there's few good counters to massed shields, and breaking a heavily shielded (fire)base can be quite difficult as there is only one dedicated anti-shield unit (which is made almost useless thanks to it's short range... and faction exclusivity).

So, keep T2 arty as they are now, but give them a sizable DPS boost vs all forms of shields. Given that arties are stationary and a hefty investment, I don't think they could be abused - but would serve a useful, but niche, purpose.

Statistics: Posted by uberge3k — 06 Sep 2011, 22:02

Re: T2 Artillery

2011-09-06T21:25:58+02:00

What would the arty do with an increased range? I dont think that t2 arty is ingame to bombard the enemy base, t2 arty is defensive weapon, not an offensive like tmls.

Statistics: Posted by Karottenrambo — 06 Sep 2011, 21:25

Re: T2 Artillery

2011-09-06T21:08:34+02:00

Range increase would be nice if cost stays the same. Leave firing randomness. Or decrease the mass cost and possibly up the e-drain maybe?

Well Better turnspeed would increase it's tracking capability if turnspeed is increased then I propose a charge up before they shoot like with oblivion cannons.

Statistics: Posted by Gunseng — 06 Sep 2011, 21:08

Re: T2 Artillery

2011-09-06T20:54:37+02:00

against range increase and less firing randomness, they arent made to be accurate or against single targets. Maybe cost cecrease. Better turnspeed, yes! If you start at bottom you have a disadvantage when you make an arty and it needs ages to turn.

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 06 Sep 2011, 20:54

Re: T2 Artillery

2011-09-06T20:44:16+02:00

I also like the idea of range increase much more than a cost decrease again. I don't think the current version is old enough to have a solid feel for the balance of t2 arty, as people are not used to using it.

regarding (missing) faction diverstity, I think the Aeon is the only one with damage over time.
Also plz consider if you reduce the firing randomness it will absolutely pwn t2 navy. Currently it's already good against navy on ranoakes for example.

Statistics: Posted by lebensnebel — 06 Sep 2011, 20:44

Re: T2 Artillery

2011-09-06T20:13:11+02:00

Gowerly, a range increase instead of a cost decrease is fair, in my mind, and I could do that. I'd still like to see the firing randomness lowered slightly, however: They can barely hit anything as it stands, and firing randomness makes accuracy worse the further away targets are. TMLs track location, however, and are therefor 100% pin-point accurate.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 06 Sep 2011, 20:13

Re: T2 Artillery

2011-09-06T19:53:14+02:00

a matrix of t2 arty and t1 power can be quite strong. They have exponential returns, too. You hit a critical mass and they roll over everything. They're like t3 mobile arty, though.
In supcom they had the same range and tmls, in FA they do not. I wouldn't be against upping their range, but that would be it.

Statistics: Posted by Gowerly — 06 Sep 2011, 19:53