LegendOfTheStars End-of-Year-Championship 2017

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Re: LegendOfTheStars End-of-Year-Championship 2017

Postby JoonasTo » 28 Dec 2017, 15:01

Would be really nice if we got a hide factions option in the lobby so you can not see what your opponent picks.

Before someone has time to code this you can achieve the same thing if the tournament director gets a list from the players for what factions they will play on what map/round before the game is hosted, so they can't go switching around freely but are committed to their choice.
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Re: LegendOfTheStars End-of-Year-Championship 2017

Postby MrTBSC » 28 Dec 2017, 17:29

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but damn were there a lot of mirrormatches in this tournament .. and people still make no real use of their t2 groundoptions but the mainassaultoptions ..

i once had to pick random, cause my opponent insisted on playing a mirror match, witch i didn't want (and i got aeon :( ) . Would be nice to get rules on how factions are being chosen, cause my choice may depend on opponent's choice while his choice depended on my... like "if he goes UEF i go aeon, and if he goes cyb i go sera" and 2 players switch factions around for a minute until one of them gives up -_- .



in that case maybe the fafguys could mod in a ui option to not show the chosenfaction if that isn´t too much to ask
so instead of seeing your chosen factionslogo it´s again the randomlogo
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Re: LegendOfTheStars End-of-Year-Championship 2017

Postby Petricpwnz » 28 Dec 2017, 18:15

JoonasTo wrote:Would be really nice if we got a hide factions option in the lobby so you can not see what your opponent picks.

Before someone has time to code this you can achieve the same thing if the tournament director gets a list from the players for what factions they will play on what map/round before the game is hosted, so they can't go switching around freely but are committed to their choice.


There was a very nice working concept of faction mix-up implemented in (if i remember correctly) bh spotlight when he played BO11 against me. We could only pick one faction 4 times 2nd faction 3 times 4th and 5th faction 2 times. That also has some problems ofc cause good players will likely pick same factions even not knowing each others' pick but it's probably the best there could be. And it's much better than just asking for factions beforehand.
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Re: LegendOfTheStars End-of-Year-Championship 2017

Postby JoonasTo » 28 Dec 2017, 18:47

Ah, yes but that only works if it's a long series and the same picking contest can of course happen in the early maps there as well, albeit it's less likely. Should emphasize that the idea is to remove the race picking contest, not mirror matchups or single faction players.

Another way to do this is to specify that if maps are to be picked, the host picks the map and he also has to pick his faction and stick with it.

Similarly a "home" player can be specified, for example, the person coming from winner's bracket, that gets the last faction pick.

Of course in a BO1 swiss tourney, this is impossible so in such cases a blind faction pick is the only way.

Aside from blind, all of these can carry certain amount of competitive edge, depending on the map and players so enforcing anything else than blind could change the outcome of some close matchups.
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Re: LegendOfTheStars End-of-Year-Championship 2017

Postby Petricpwnz » 28 Dec 2017, 19:16

That concept works anywhere as long as there is someone to control it's application. Same as we didn't know if our bo11 will be a long series or will end in 6 games. But it's not really harder to control than blind picks (which would have a lot more mirror matchups).

JoonasTo wrote:Should emphasize that the idea is to remove the race picking contest, not mirror matchups or single faction players.


I have no idea what this means, but I don't see any problems with faction picking and shuffling in the lobby except that it usually ends up in a mirror faction matchup. Which in itself is already a hugely imposed issue and I'd rather not see any brutal faction rules to restrict players.

SPEAKING OF RESTRICTIONS, I almost forgot.

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I mean, seriouly? Not only that this just got me a pool that was hugely favouring zock but in a finals of the biggest tournament of this year you decide to prioritize caster rights over player rights, as BH would say that's diseased.
Then the "Alternatively, if both players agree, a map doesn't have to be in the list." is in place for a show-off apparently. And while something like crazyrush should be agreed on by both players, being blocked from picking goddamn sentons which is a classic and totally normal 20x20 is just an abuse, there is no way around it.
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Re: LegendOfTheStars End-of-Year-Championship 2017

Postby JoonasTo » 28 Dec 2017, 21:23

Petricpwnz wrote:That concept works anywhere as long as there is someone to control it's application. Same as we didn't know if our bo11 will be a long series or will end in 6 games. But it's not really harder to control than blind picks (which would have a lot more mirror matchups).

JoonasTo wrote:Should emphasize that the idea is to remove the race picking contest, not mirror matchups or single faction players.


I have no idea what this means, but I don't see any problems with faction picking and shuffling in the lobby except that it usually ends up in a mirror faction matchup. Which in itself is already a hugely imposed issue and I'd rather not see any brutal faction rules to restrict players.

>Implying six games is not a long series :lol:

Exactly. The whole idea is to remove that faction shuffling you pick aeon>I pick sera>you pick cybran>I pick UEF>etc.

No faction limitations are included in any of the proposed systems. Just eliminating the shuffling roulette is. Perhaps you misread something?
If you are thinking of picking a faction, there is no limit to how many times you can pick a faction. You can be all UEF throughout the tourney in such a system if you wish.
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Re: LegendOfTheStars End-of-Year-Championship 2017

Postby Tokyto » 29 Dec 2017, 01:11

Petricpwnz wrote:That concept works anywhere as long as there is someone to control it's application. Same as we didn't know if our bo11 will be a long series or will end in 6 games. But it's not really harder to control than blind picks (which would have a lot more mirror matchups).

JoonasTo wrote:Should emphasize that the idea is to remove the race picking contest, not mirror matchups or single faction players.


I have no idea what this means, but I don't see any problems with faction picking and shuffling in the lobby except that it usually ends up in a mirror faction matchup. Which in itself is already a hugely imposed issue and I'd rather not see any brutal faction rules to restrict players.

SPEAKING OF RESTRICTIONS, I almost forgot.

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Then the "Alternatively, if both players agree, a map doesn't have to be in the list." is in place for a show-off apparently. And while something like crazyrush should be agreed on by both players, being blocked from picking goddamn sentons which is a classic and totally normal 20x20 is just an abuse, there is no way around it.


So i should prioritize two players over casters with hundreds of people watching? That seems diseased to me...

I can't please everyone, sorry :/
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Re: LegendOfTheStars End-of-Year-Championship 2017

Postby Petricpwnz » 29 Dec 2017, 01:37

Tokyto wrote:I can't please everyone, sorry :/

Well firstly I'm baffled as to why 20x20 maps are somehow bad for casters. It's not like I've never casted myself and I've never found any issue. Games there are just as interesting. Map picking rules can directly influence the outcome of the tourney while for casters they eh... don't matter at all? At least for this format. Some super fast blitz tourney single elimination sure thing, but for top lvl 1v1 turtle game on isis or senton has just as much insight as a game on syrtis or whatever. Players are locked into playing but casting is completely optional, regardless how many people watch it.
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Re: LegendOfTheStars End-of-Year-Championship 2017

Postby LegendOfTheStars » 29 Dec 2017, 03:33

Tokyto wrote:
LegendOfTheStars wrote:Ok prize money sent today to Whiteheart and Zock. Tokyto what do I need to send you to cover fees $30? Let me know and I'll send you the money for that and to cover Adjux third place prize :D

Thanks again for organising.

LotS


Hello, no need to send anything, the fees were pretty small :) .

You are very welcome, was a great tourney!



Yeah was a great tourney, thanks for co-ordinating everything/everybody. I have just sent you via paypal the money for the 3rd place prize: Adjux - wins 50 AU$ to please pass on to him :)

Hope everyone has a great new year...until we do it all again in 2018 :D

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Re: LegendOfTheStars End-of-Year-Championship 2017

Postby LegendOfTheStars » 14 Feb 2018, 17:58

Finally got the trophy back from glass artist Peter Reynolds (who has been building his new studio). Here is what is headed Petric's way Friday...
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