T2 "tanks" needs rebalance

[Yama_Dharma]

armor type: Normal

Stupid enough question, but what armor type means?

[Golol]

i have tested some things out and in my opinion the blaze is too weak and the wagner too strong.
you can get 6 wagners for 8 blazes and the wagners have about 400 more health and twice the damage!

[ColonelSheppard]

they are not compareable, take obsidians vs wagners instead

[ZaphodX]

i have tested some things out and in my opinion the blaze is too weak and the wagner too strong.
you can get 6 wagners for 8 blazes and the wagners have about 400 more health and twice the damage!

Blazes are way quicker to build and have hover.

[Valki]

i have tested some things out and in my opinion the blaze is too weak and the wagner too strong.
you can get 6 wagners for 8 blazes and the wagners have about 400 more health and twice the damage!

Blazes have a high rate of fire, 1 shot every 0.3 seconds. They are meant to deal with T1 units.

[Golol]

well but what matters is not simply the rate of fire, it matters if they overkill with 1 shot. and since they do not, they are pretty good against t1

[Valki]

well but what matters is not simply the rate of fire, it matters if they overkill with 1 shot. and since they do not, they are pretty good against t1

Let's say Wagners vs. Strikers.

Strikers have 300 hp, Wagners deal 200 damage every 4 seconds, and 2x 50 damage every 2 seconds.
Over a greater engagement, there will be strikers with 0 hp, 100 hp, 200 hp, and 300 hp.

Assuming the Wagners big gun engages a random target each time, there is a 33% chance to overkill with the main gun.


However, if you are naturally transitioning into Wagners then you will have Mantis mixed with Wagners. So, with 8 damage on the Mantis, Strikers will have 300 hp, 292 hp, 284 hp... etc.

Effectively, there is a 9% chance the Wagners small gun will overkill, and a 33% chance for the big gun.



Notice I didn't take a cheap example such as a 140 hp Aurora.

[Golol]

well what ky basic problem was that aeon dont have anything on t2 thats worth buying against t1.
the obsidian is useless because of insane overkill and the blaze will never challenge the same amount of mass put into t1 units.
i think an extended range on the blaze like the auroras would help because i personally see the blaze as a t2 aurora (atleast thats what it should be in my opinion)
mongoose or rhinos are pretty efficient at slaughtering t1

[Valki]

As Aeon I usually get Blazes mixed in with my force and they seem to do fine, offcourse, I do micro my army a bit. Note that they are cheaper than your Wagner.

[Golol]

i was using wagner for amphi tank comparison.
the rhino is definetly thr cybrans t1 slayer and it costs less than a blaze (after my knowledge).