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World-Wide Peoples' Championship Map Pool ('16+)

Postby Morax » 07 Jul 2015, 21:54

WWPC 2016 Map Pool


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If you have suggestions for the WWPC map pool you can post them here.

Right now there are two pools. The BO5 pool which champions/challengers may choose maps from for their BO5, and theKnockouts pool which contains the maps that are given to the challengers for their knockout games.

Why are there two pools?

I think it's best to keep the knockouts pool easy and have maps in it that are in some sort "global". But this thread is all about suggestions so if you think it's a bad system please do let me know.

Rules

- If both players agree it's allowed to play a map that's not in the BO5 map pool.
- When in doubt different versions of maps should be discussed with the TD.
- Complaints about a map that wasn't in the pool or something similar after the game has been played will most likely be ignored.

On to the map pools then, here's an up-to-date list...

Knockouts Pool

Badlands
Canis River
Cobalt Valley
Crimson Feud
Dry Canyon V3
Eye of the Storm
Farce
Fields of Isis
Finn's Revenge
Loki
Niflheim Final II
Open Palms
Open Waters
Point of Reach v3
Regor Vi Highlands
Roanoke Abyss
Standing Stones
Syrtis Major
Theta Passage
Twin Rivers
Vya-3 Protectorate
White Fire

Best-of-Five Pool

Arrakis (20x20)
Ambush Pass
Arctic Refuge
Badlands
Canis River
Cobalt Valley
Craftious Maximus
Crimson Feud
Crossfire Canal
Desert Planet II (10x10)
Dry Canyon V3
Dusty Grounds (addition)
Eye of the Storm
Emerald Crater
Farce (biass' version of "Rumble in The Jungle")
Fields of Isis
Forbidden Pass v4
Last Oasis
Loki
Niflheim Final II
Open Palms
Open Waters
Open Zeta
Point of Reach v3
Red Rocks
Regor Vi Highlands
Roanoke Abyss
Seraphim Glaciers
Standing Stones
Syrtis Major
Tag Craftious Maximus (addition)
Theta Passage
The Bermuda Locket
Twin Rivers
Veil of Stars
Vya-3 Protectorate
White Fire v2
Williamson's Bridge
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Re: WWPC Map Pool (2015+)

Postby Mephi » 07 Jul 2015, 22:53

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Re: WWPC Map Pool (2015+)

Postby Sir Prize » 08 Jul 2015, 16:23

No Mephi. Bad Mephi.

Couple of decent looking 5x5 maps (even though that feels like an oxymoron sometimes) you might want to add to one or both pools:
Boogie-Woogie
TAG_voi vittu
Esgaroth Ruins

Some team game maps possibly worth adding:
Flooded tabula rasa (maybe the unflooded version too)
Diversity
Mozdoc Sprecial (note the typo :p)
Stella Maris (and/or the 1v1 version)
Selkie Isle

I don't feel strongly about any of these maps. But yes Bermuda Locket should be there if it wasn't.

I think the two pools is a good thing, it might be worth getting the knockout pool down to really uncontroversial, highly played maps so it's not difficult to have or get a good build and have tactics and strategy decide challengers for the Bo5.
Spoiler: show
Slight tangent, but still relevant when talking about map pools and map choices: I think some change to the finals with the same goal, to not have BO advantage repeatedly deciding games in the final (for either player, it often happens for both players in the same final). My preference would be pre-announced map choices for both players.
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Re: WWPC Map Pool (2015+)

Postby Cuddles » 09 Jul 2015, 09:20

This viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7585

Spoiler: show
Maps:

5x5
Finn's (yes i know its 10x10)
Theta
Theta 5
Williamson's

10x10
Badlands
Open Palms
Eots
Loki
Regor VI
Syrtis
Vya3
White Fire

20x20
Roanoke
Emerald Crater
Crossfire Canal
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Re: WWPC Map Pool (2015+)

Postby Morax » 09 Jul 2015, 18:54

Cuddles wrote:This viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7585

Spoiler: show
Maps:

5x5
Finn's (yes i know its 10x10)
Theta
Theta 5
Williamson's

10x10
Badlands
Open Palms
Eots
Loki
Regor VI
Syrtis
Vya3
White Fire

20x20
Roanoke
Emerald Crater
Crossfire Canal


That's a pretty small list. I agree with Zock's philosophy about having the last say, though. Kalvirox and I are keeping somewhat open minds with player demands, which quite coincidentally led to us removing Emerald Crater since Zock is one of the few people who like it : )
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Re: WWPC Map Pool (2015+)

Postby Morax » 09 Jul 2015, 18:55

Sir Prize wrote:No Mephi. Bad Mephi.

Couple of decent looking 5x5 maps (even though that feels like an oxymoron sometimes) you might want to add to one or both pools:
Boogie-Woogie
TAG_voi vittu
Esgaroth Ruins

Some team game maps possibly worth adding:
Flooded tabula rasa (maybe the unflooded version too)
Diversity
Mozdoc Sprecial (note the typo :p)
Stella Maris (and/or the 1v1 version)
Selkie Isle

I don't feel strongly about any of these maps. But yes Bermuda Locket should be there if it wasn't.

I think the two pools is a good thing, it might be worth getting the knockout pool down to really uncontroversial, highly played maps so it's not difficult to have or get a good build and have tactics and strategy decide challengers for the Bo5.
Spoiler: show
Slight tangent, but still relevant when talking about map pools and map choices: I think some change to the finals with the same goal, to not have BO advantage repeatedly deciding games in the final (for either player, it often happens for both players in the same final). My preference would be pre-announced map choices for both players.


Kalvirox and I will duke it out on the mentioned maps to test them out soon.

As for the spoiler with the tangent, let's keep that to the WWPC Effectiveness thread, please.
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Re: WWPC Map Pool (2015+)

Postby turinturambar42 » 09 Jul 2015, 19:19

Pls dont remove emarald crater its a great map and rly fun to play.
It is also sth different than the average turtle and eco/get gun and win. Also tech3 (harb) rush should be less of a high reward. This map supports tactic so the game is more decided by attention, scouting,and mapcontrol.(what would consider the essence of supreme commander!)
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Re: WWPC Map Pool (2015+)

Postby Morax » 09 Jul 2015, 21:46

cpu42 wrote:Pls dont remove emarald crater its a great map and rly fun to play.
It is also sth different than the average turtle and eco/get gun and win. Also tech3 (harb) rush should be less of a high reward. This map supports tactic so the game is more decided by attention, scouting,and mapcontrol.(what would consider the essence of supreme commander!)


Hey cpu42, I agree and disagree with some points and others there. The cold, hard facts are that mostly everyone can't stand it. I think that maps like Niflheim, Loki, Point of Reach, Eye of the Storm, and others require more territory/army position that you speak of. Niflheim is one of the most technical and difficult maps to play for this reason with its dynamic land laylout and scattered reclaim fields.

If enough people want to reverse the decision we will certainly consider it....
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Re: WWPC Map Pool (2015+)

Postby Kalvirox » 09 Jul 2015, 22:16

cpu42 wrote:Pls dont remove emarald crater its a great map and rly fun to play.


Posts like this really make me sad. I don't like removing maps that people like.
I also don't like removing ladder maps from this map pool either.

But a heck of a lot of people really don't like that map.

It is also sth different than the average turtle and eco/get gun and win.


There are plenty of other maps that do this. Plenty. Forbidden pass V4 is the first that comes to mind. Niflhiem Final is the second. But they are designed so that they are nicer to play in most peoples opinions. Because they are not as big as emerald crater.

Personally I like the Scar for the same reasons you like emerald crater. But people hate that map even more :) .

Sir Prize wrote: Couple of decent looking 5x5 maps (even though that feels like an oxymoron sometimes) you might want to add to one or both pools: Esgaroth Ruins


I knew we were missing a couple of maps. That is without a doubt one of them.

See. Originally we had team game maps in like Canis 4v4 and Pyramid ect. But we took them out.

I am completely open to having team game maps in the pool. I have had 1v1 games against Viper Casted on 4v4 Canis and on Pyramid. The games we have played on Tabula Rasa, Hilly Plateau and other team game maps were good fun too, you would be surprised about how good of a 1v1 map wonder is.

The issue here, once again, was that very few people actually played on them. Infact Tokyto_ picked them more often than the rest of the WWPC champions combined.

If people want team game maps in then Say So.
One thing with that though. There are a few teamgame maps that I will go out of my way to say 'no this is not going into the map pool' of which Morax will undoubtably agree. Gap, Thermo, RushMeMore. And those really really stupid 1 chokepoint turtle maps are pretty much all of them.
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Re: WWPC Map Pool (2015+)

Postby TheKoopa » 12 Jul 2015, 17:29

Couple of decent looking 5x5 maps (even though that feels like an oxymoron sometimes) you might want to add to one or both pools:
Boogie-Woogie


That map is so cancerous I would rather play setons 1v1 than that.
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