IceDreamer wrote:That depends entirely on the person who is building. Firstly, if you're building an 8700K machine which you intend to OC heavily, you are already an enthusiast, and already spending a lot of money. A bit more on a CLC or even a custom loop isn't out of the ordinary for these people. Secondly, if you're on that bandwagon, you are likely to delid your 8700K and apply liquid metal as TIM. While you need a good chip to hit 5GHz out of the box even on water, the majority of chips hit 5GHz on water after a delid. Even if not 5GHz though, 4.8 is totally normal, and plenty to be ahead of the 2700X in most games.
Nobody ever claimed it was better value. They just said it was faster. They were right. It is.
Well, that ofc is true. I did not want to criticice you in any way, I just wanted to note that for people who are not spending insane amounts of money on something that will probably be slower, than a much cheaper rig in a year or so (which is the overwhelming majority) is generally a stupid idea
. It is much better to wait for a newer and better product, or to just buy the product with the better value in this point in time.
My point is, that being an "enthusiast" does not have to be all about spending money, but also making the right choices. And that choice is (at least for FAF) the 8600k or some Ryzen 6 core chip for games that favor ryzen. Imagine you are an enthusiast and built a 7700k system in early 2017. Must have sucked, to spend so much money on a chip that almost gets beaten by a 160€ chip now. But hey, that rig was the fastest for like 10 mounths... great.
The rig you listed will get you the best performance for less than half a year now. So is it really fair to say, that it is faster? Yes. For now. And when new chips come out it will get trashed. And the guy who bought a better value chip will laugh his ass off and will be faster, since he can now use the money he saved on a CPU of the newer generation
.
Those are just my 2 cents. Again, am not saying you are wrong, I just have a problem with buying something just because it is faster NOW. In the real world, where money matters, doing this will
NOT get you the fastest rig in the end most (not all) of the time, even if you bought the "best" processor
.
But ofc this will not apply if you just spend 300 bucks on a CPU every year, like some people do. For the majority of people though, the strategy I listed will give you the faster system most of the time (exept when you always by the best and newest CPU when it comes out). And this is what it is all about is'nt it?
The "strategy" that those enthusiasts use will give them the best system all the time in a perfect world, where money does not matter. But for most (
not all)people it does matter, and for those people this is both ineffective and inefficient
.