Maybe its time to move the Ladder starting skill down.

[Farmsletje]

try hilly it's lots of fun

[JoonasTo]

Like I said, canis and wonder and shit xD

[Sheeo]

This is a fundamental problem with treating TrueSkill as a ladder system. Tokyto is drafting a new ladder system which doesn't use TrueSkill directly for bracketing, which would solve this problem.

The proposed solution of just lowering the initial rating would just defer the systems ability to estimate the skill level of newer players until much later -- which doesn't really solve the problem of mid-range players being afraid of getting matched against smurfs.

[RealityCheck]

The proposed solution of just lowering the initial rating would just defer the systems ability to estimate the skill level of newer players until much later -- which doesn't really solve the problem of mid-range players being afraid of getting matched against smurfs.

Mid-range players already have many reasons to like FAF . They won't stop playing forever because of some fear from smurfs. Extreme newbies on the other hand are just evaluating the game - after some merciless beating they can decide that FAF ladder just isn't for them.

[Mad`Mozart]

Meanwhile at the top of the ladder only 3 out of 20 people are still playing

[crazywauz]

i just liked to have global ladder thats up to date (as a 900-1100 player) so i can find players with similar rating

[JoonasTo]

I for one, have never met a smurf on ladder.

[partymarty81]

At my ladder rating (500 - 600) i can usually get a game within a minute or so tops (UK time 8pm - 12pm) - it has only happened a couple of times that I have been matched with anything like a mismatch.... there seem to be a few regulars playing at that time who i bump into a lot

failing that start a custom looking to low level team game of the map of your choosing - for a while i just kept creating custom games 1v1 up to 1000 and either got a level ish game or someone willing to help train

if more new players just started their own lobby up, using a map of their chosing, i'm confident they will fill it

from what i see on this, if you are new looking for ladder games, gap/setons repeat probably isn't your thing. just give it a go, if I ever venture onto team games from now it will just be smaller maps up to say 3v3 so I'll keep a look out

[JoonasTo]

This is a fundamental problem with treating TrueSkill as a ladder system. Tokyto is drafting a new ladder system which doesn't use TrueSkill directly for bracketing, which would solve this problem.

Please don't break the current matching system, I play ladder occasionally, not regularly and if I have to grind against noobs to get a decent game, I will never play ladder.
No ELO/ladder point matching, or at least have a couple placement matches to fix that shit if you do.

[speed2]

This is a fundamental problem with treating TrueSkill as a ladder system. Tokyto is drafting a new ladder system which doesn't use TrueSkill directly for bracketing, which would solve this problem.

Please don't break the current matching system, I play ladder occasionally, not regularly and if I have to grind against noobs to get a decent game, I will never play ladder.
No ELO/ladder point matching, or at least have a couple placement matches to fix that shit if you do.

We're not going to break it but improve it.