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Re: T2 Drops

2018-08-31T04:06:04+02:00

Evildrew wrote:
ABSTRACT wrote:/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=15271
imo the problem is: T2 FB/Inties have the same speed as T2 Transports[...]

Incorrect, Inties have 15 speed and F/B have 15 speed in official balance.[...]

I dont get it.
However. I will have a look at the balance mod. But i'm pretty much done to suggest things regarding balance.

Statistics: Posted by ABSTRACT — 31 Aug 2018, 04:06

Re: T2 Drops

2018-03-19T10:33:56+02:00

Hi,

ABSTRACT wrote:
keyser wrote:if you buff T2 FB speed, and nerf their dps vs land, then you gonna get ton shit of people complaining about not being able to snipe anymore.

Im not talking about nerfing something. Im talking about giving T2 air better AA abilities in general, since it is a fact that T2 air is literally useless if you try to use it that way.
You can also snipe with T3 bombers. The difference: you have units to counter that at T3 air level, so why not handle the "sniping-problem" at the same way at T2 level?

I mean, we had a lot of discussions about the problem of rushing T3 Air and giving T2 air as a level more room in a game. Some balance patches targeted that issue, but they didnt change the fact that there is still nothing between Inties and ASF.

Hi,

F/B performance in AA fights vs T2 & T3 is improved (speed, dps) without becoming stronger than swiftwinds/ASF/interceptors on a cost basis in Pre-August 2016 balance mod EDI release viewtopic.php?f=41&t=15986&p=161629#p161629 Always make sure to download the latest version in the vault.

Please test and leave feedback if you like the changes in viewtopic.php?f=67&t=15987.

For suggestions for other areas to look at, please post in viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15989

Pre-August 2016 balance mod EDI will address players concerns when they are valid and try to reflect appropriate changes. Pre-August 2016 balance mod EDI moves fast when something can be fixed easily and doesnt waste time with introducing new gimmick things that serve no purpose of improving the game.

ABSTRACT wrote:
/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=15271
imo the problem is: T2 FB/Inties have the same speed as T2 Transports <-> Inties have higher speed as T1 Transports.
The shit AA abilities of T2 air in comparison to other air tech levels is obviously the biggest balance gap in faf, but nobody cares about it.

Incorrect, Inties have 15 speed and F/B have 15 speed in official balance. For AA abilities, refer to my comment above, I care about useless units getting a new home in FAF, support my work by testing and feedback

Statistics: Posted by Evildrew — 19 Mar 2018, 10:33

Re: T2 Drops

2018-01-22T11:02:29+02:00

Farmsletje wrote:
Thx for the tips! Next time my enemy drops harbs at min 11 i'll spam t1 arty, build pd around my core 4 mexes and counterattack with 30 tanks!!

You forgot to throw your two T3 mexes at your opponent! Kappa

Statistics: Posted by PsychoBoB — 22 Jan 2018, 11:02

Re: T2 Drops

2018-01-22T05:30:44+02:00

Farmsletje wrote:
Thx for the tips! Next time my enemy drops harbs at min 11 i'll spam t1 arty, build pd around my core 4 mexes and counterattack with 30 tanks!!

That's a t3 land balance issue, not t2 transport : D

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 22 Jan 2018, 05:30

Re: T2 Drops

2018-01-21T17:53:06+02:00

Not sure if @up serious or not.

Statistics: Posted by Endranii — 21 Jan 2018, 17:53

Re: T2 Drops

2018-01-21T17:13:35+02:00

What a constructive addidtion, thx farms. I have an quastion about your dexcribed countertactic. So when you... uhm... do... oh!... you didnt say anything... So what exectly do YOU do?

1. i assumed we were talking about a com- or sparkydrop
2. harbdrop at minute 11 seems to be like a very pro tactic. the op isnt a pro obviously, so he wont encounter that.

Statistics: Posted by C-Star — 21 Jan 2018, 17:13

Re: T2 Drops

2018-01-20T20:46:27+02:00

Thx for the tips! Next time my enemy drops harbs at min 11 i'll spam t1 arty, build pd around my core 4 mexes and counterattack with 30 tanks!!

Statistics: Posted by Farmsletje — 20 Jan 2018, 20:46

Re: T2 Drops

2018-01-20T20:33:19+02:00

when you cant catch the trans you can

* build PD in your base asap, so the landing commander faces some fire or chosses another landingspot wich will make his drop less efficient
* spam t1 arty
* inform your allies, so they can get t2 mml or an airsnipe
* you should have sth else, because you enemy invested intop the drop. so maybe you have 30 tank to attack (and kill) his base

Statistics: Posted by C-Star — 20 Jan 2018, 20:33

Re: T2 Drops

2018-01-08T04:40:14+02:00

Erich Von Meinstein wrote:
No sir, here you cannot shove that argument. I've had a Gap game where I KNEW the enemy was gonna com drop in a t2 trans. I saw him loading. I could see him on the radar. But my inties couldn't catch it. That is a balance issue. There are two solutions:

Please provide replay so I can see the situation. Sorry if you don't like my feedback.

If something like this concerns you so much you should get in the habit of saving replays to a folder where you have issues to raise. You know that most people who work on the game need to review this rather hear "word of mouth."

No offense to you by any means, but I learned the hard way as well that not bringing evidence will not yield any result.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 08 Jan 2018, 04:40

Re: T2 Drops

2018-01-08T03:46:07+02:00

Erich von Manstein wrote:
A small start nerf will be hated by "the community", entire system rework is fine however.

you are very out of touch, why do you think bhedit exists

tiny tiny speed reduction on trans is ok, not enough to ruin skill gap but enough to not just autowin

Yudi wrote:
EDIT: Ignore this thread.

Statistics: Posted by biass — 08 Jan 2018, 03:46

Re: T2 Drops

2018-01-08T03:04:19+02:00

For fk's sake Morax, this ain't a case where you can just shove the "more scouting and looking at your intel" clause into the person's face! If there was a good, working counter to those drops, people would use it, yes? But since inties, which are what people have when t2 trans show up ~90% of the time, cannot catch the transport, how do you expect the player to counter it? split his airforce so the enemy can overwhelm either of the halves and win air? Won't work. Make flak in potential LZs? Need mass for that. Magically have enough inties to both repel the enemy airforce that will attack your airforce to debilitate it AND to catch the trans? Well, that can be done but it requires victories on land or navy due to micro/strategic skill/enemy error.

No sir, here you cannot shove that argument. I've had a Gap game where I KNEW the enemy was gonna com drop in a t2 trans. I saw him loading. I could see him on the radar. But my inties couldn't catch it. That is a balance issue. There are two solutions:

1) As I proposed earlier, add 4 new units to each faction, each following their philosophy and each would be better for its purpose in a way characteristic of the faction, cited below

Spoiler: show

2) nerf trans speed but this will face opposition from the community.

I don't understand what's the problem with adding new units. This is a community-driven lobby. If the people desire new units, they should get them. Balance should be shaken up from time to time and keep evolving.

A poll should be conducted (posting a link on the What's New page and give people a week to answer) to find out what the people think but that's PC's job.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 08 Jan 2018, 03:04

Re: T2 Drops

2018-01-07T20:00:35+02:00

I think if you play in a way where you scout properly and see a drop you will be able to properly adjust.

If someone spent resources on a drop you should have an advantage. I hardly believe for an instant that the real issue is not that said player was"losing." The only time I have seen t2 drops succeed against me is when I lost air, radar coverage. When watching other's games I have seen pretty much the same.

People tend to complain about things being out of balance when they don't know how to respond.

Do you have a replay I can watch to see where you experienced this event?

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 07 Jan 2018, 20:00

Re: T2 Drops

2018-01-06T17:14:33+02:00

Morax wrote:
Can we not touch the t2 transport speed? Good habits such as having radar, air scout patrols, and general "try to play zoomed out as much as possible" are all solutions to this issue.

By disallowing the devastation of t2 drops you are further encouraging a turtle gameplay; players think they don't need to cover territory and leave it to simple choke points...

This is one of the actual "strategic moves" you can make in the game... Really disappointed

No it still doesn't make sense to have "uncatchable" t2 trans like at the moment. A small nerf speed is necessary to balance it out. At the moment I can't even fight the enemy air and then go for trans I have to go for trans and simply try to kill it in one pass otherwise the inties will get not only out micro'ed by the trans but also raped like christian in muslim country by the air guard it has. So at the moment it is question of do I sacrifice air and try killing it or do I kill the air guard and then try bombing the units dropped while getting ready to give up some of my mass for drop causing dmg to teammates.

Radars, Frigates, T1 scouts don't really help in this dilema 'cuz I already know that trans is coming, the problem is what I do, I lose in both scenarios anyway so welp. Unless it's a non guarded drop then maybe but in that case you probably have more mass than you need or you are sure that enemy have no intel on it.

No it still doesn't encourage turtle play, it just make's the try hard t2 drops lil bit less try hard to deal with while still making sure they are usefull, at least as long as it's not a nerf of more than, 1.5 speed. And out microing the inties should be still possible so what's the deal. The only thing that changes is that your trans no longer are "uncatchable".

And how does small speed nerf makes it no longer available as a strategic move?

Statistics: Posted by Endranii — 06 Jan 2018, 17:14

Re: T2 Drops

2018-01-06T14:30:18+02:00

JaggedAppliance wrote:
I've no interest in adding units to FAF, we have plenty to work with already. I'm not even a fan of t3 maa, but that ship sailed a long time ago. Regarding T2 drops, a very slight speed decrease for the T2 transport is planned to reward people who actually pay attention and spot the drop as it's on its way but don't have the luxury of swifties.

Can we not touch the t2 transport speed? Good habits such as having radar, air scout patrols, and general "try to play zoomed out as much as possible" are all solutions to this issue.

By disallowing the devastation of t2 drops you are further encouraging a turtle gameplay; players think they don't need to cover territory and leave it to simple choke points...

This is one of the actual "strategic moves" you can make in the game... Really disappointed

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 06 Jan 2018, 14:30

Re: T2 Drops

2018-01-06T08:48:58+02:00

moonbearonmeth wrote:
Yudi wrote:EDIT: Ignore this thread.

Statistics: Posted by moonbearonmeth — 06 Jan 2018, 08:48