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Re: Why is the Aeon a broken faction?

2017-11-18T01:12:16+02:00

The Aeon destroyer torps are so fucking bad, why can't they target surface units T_T

not sure if trolling or not. But here are the facts :
they do 75 dps damage against surfaced ship (and submerged) with their torpedoes (cybran is 100, sera is 160)
on top of that they have depth charge vs all subs : that deal 106 dps to submerge unit. Depth charge can't be stopped by torpedo defense.

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 18 Nov 2017, 01:12

Re: Why is the Aeon a broken faction?

2017-11-17T23:50:19+02:00

JoonasTo wrote:
The Aeon destroyer torps are so fucking bad, why can't they target surface units T_T

Off topic but i'd love for the UEF destroyer to have it's torps replaced with short ranged anti sub (and anti surface) mortar volley.
And yes, anti sub mortar

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Statistics: Posted by zeroAPM — 17 Nov 2017, 23:50

Re: Why is the Aeon a broken faction?

2017-11-17T22:07:39+02:00

The Aeon destroyer torps are so fucking bad, why can't they target surface units T_T

Statistics: Posted by JoonasTo — 17 Nov 2017, 22:07

Re: Why is the Aeon an overpowered faction?

2017-11-17T19:52:28+02:00

How about nerfing the aurora gun range to make them less op against other t1 units, nerf the aeon maa by at least 50% (so it's about as weak as sera), giving the obsidian less HP and alpha dmg cause it's too good, reduce the insane muzzle velocity of the aa gun of the cruiser, less torpedo dmg for the destroyer, less range for the sniper bot? Aeon land is fucking op and the t2 navy is so strong it beats t3 battlecruiser with mobile shield support. This way the aeon units make sense in more than a singularity strategical abusage and players will choose this faction again without being called cowards.

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Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 17 Nov 2017, 19:52

Re: Why is the Aeon a broken faction?

2017-11-17T19:49:00+02:00

Looks like someone didn't have his kebab today *_*

Statistics: Posted by Farmsletje — 17 Nov 2017, 19:49

Re: Why is the Aeon a broken faction?

2017-11-17T19:38:58+02:00

Your opening salvo was to insult the guy's intelligence. The first page includes a fairly superficial and condescending rebuttal, plus one guy admitting he'd kind of like to see a change to muzzle velocity (only to be ignored for his effort of chiming in). Do you even know what virtue signalling is? I'm not paying lip service to some vague concept, I'm saying that your first instinct, your starting move, was to poison the thread.

Then somebody name drops me like I'm a problem.

Of course they can't just close the thread as soon as they realize your "point-by-point" "explanation" was right and everyone else is wrong. They'd have to read through the first page of insults just to find where the discussion even starts, and after that of course there's going to be an argument with you because your posts were instant jeering and insincerity. It should come as no wonder that OP argued with you and didn't see eye to eye with anything you said. If you make sure that your rhetorical opponent can never back down without losing face, it's pretty likely they'll just never back down.

Frankly OP can't be blamed. He used the forum for its designated purpose, and everything that happened afterward was thanks to the behavior of his supposed betters.

Statistics: Posted by Ars Nova — 17 Nov 2017, 19:38

Re: Why is the Aeon a broken faction?

2017-11-17T05:36:44+02:00

Muh virtue signal.

If a dude is presented a point-by-point explanation for why his ideas are bad and responds with "well, that's just your opinion my guy" then the conversation is already over. Thread should have been locked then when it was obvious no actual conversation was going to be had and that it would degrade to shitposts because no real effort content would ever breach the OP.

PS: Take your own advice and stay out of threads if you have nothing on topic to contribute except for vague holier-than-thou statements.

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 17 Nov 2017, 05:36

Re: Why is the Aeon a broken faction?

2017-11-17T04:35:28+02:00

Endranii wrote:
So ars nova or Nepty?

So Ars Nova what? I haven't bothered here since you guys took a great big dump on someone for daring to notice that hover is more commonly useful than driving along the sea floor.

Good work on this thread, guys. It's always a wonder to watch you turn being right into something so abysmally, vitriolically wrong. My favorite technique is when you try to force feed the OP a greater weight of insults than arguments so that anything valuable you may have posted gets disastrously poisoned and OP can't swallow it.

Statistics: Posted by Ars Nova — 17 Nov 2017, 04:35

Re: Why is the Aeon a broken faction?

2017-11-04T22:08:37+02:00

The Order is eternal. There is no stopping us.

Statistics: Posted by Heaven — 04 Nov 2017, 22:08

Re: Why is the Aeon a broken faction?

2017-11-04T04:55:37+02:00

A short summary of this thread:

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Statistics: Posted by Morax — 04 Nov 2017, 04:55

Re: Why is the Aeon a broken faction?

2017-11-04T02:13:20+02:00

Good thing we don't balance based on opinions and skewed analysis

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Statistics: Posted by TheKoopa — 04 Nov 2017, 02:13

Re: Why is the Aeon a broken faction?

2017-11-04T00:43:18+02:00

A criteria used for deviation análisis. In an example, it could be something like the analisis of player faction choices role based on map position in team games on the LotS tournament and 2k tier replays, and from that we could infer that the aeon is the most likely the favored dedicated air faction because it is the one picked most on the spot further from ground war. So the variables are spot affinity and faction role.
Other form would be an even split of faction choice to be the balance reference.
Another inferrence could be of the top players faction choices for 1v1 to infer the best faction.
Yet another one: faction win ratio on ladder.

Statistics: Posted by Fen — 04 Nov 2017, 00:43

Re: Why is the Aeon a broken faction?

2017-11-03T23:30:38+02:00

Normalization in what respect?

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 03 Nov 2017, 23:30

Re: Why is the Aeon a broken faction?

2017-11-03T22:38:46+02:00

So what parameter do you propose for normalization?

Statistics: Posted by Fen — 03 Nov 2017, 22:38

Re: Why is the Aeon a broken faction?

2017-11-03T19:52:58+02:00

Fen wrote:
I gave my opinion on a single situation of x vs y that i believe are game breakers and most of the reply i got involves a,b,c, and so on to a whole chorem. There is no way to have a balance argument with this methodology.

There is nothing in any version of the balance, where you can be more wrong than with this single statement. Nothing at all. If you want to claim something about Auroras you can't just go "oh they're so much better than strikers, they've got better range and bigger alpha damage".

A single bomber kills them all.

So now the bomber is OP vs auroras. A single AA kills it.

So now the AA is OP vs bombers. A single tank kills it.

So now all tanks are OP vs AA.

The only place where this ever worked, was with the Restorers. Those were OP. They were faster than they are now so they could easily avoid flak. They killed ASFs mass to mass and they could be built with just a few T2 Pgens.

That was an obvious balance change. Such glaring issues are no longer present. So think in unit combinations and situations. Not A vs B.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 03 Nov 2017, 19:52