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Re: Orlando

2016-06-17T16:56:29+02:00

Thank you everyone who provided some insight on the Swiss model - much appreciated.

ajkayforty7, the "exaggerated" presentation you speak of is likely what is referred to as a "sarcastic sense of humor." It usually involves overly-stating a situation in effort to show someone how ridiculously over-analytical they may be. There is not really an easy way to explain it, but in your defense, I don't like it either. It's kind of taking the easy way out and poking fun at someone or something and rarely has much clever thought involved; it usually involves a "slam" or jab at someone's thought process

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 17 Jun 2016, 16:56

Re: Orlando

2016-06-17T16:22:48+02:00

Had my computer with me I'd go on a posting spree, I do not and also that might save me a ban or w/e.
Instead I'll point everyone to Kennesaw, Georgia.

Statistics: Posted by zeroAPM — 17 Jun 2016, 16:22

Re: Orlando

2016-06-17T11:39:47+02:00

Well i wanted to watch the rant, but i quit halfway because I have a real dislike for American presentation styles xD It's always so exagerated? Don't know if it's the right word for it. I also don't know how you can appreciate it xD like when she says: "if people don't have a friend to hold a phone for them, they shouldnt get a gun"? whaatt?! or was that a bad attempt at comedy?

People always like to twist information too for their agenda, if I look up the data the video shows, It states that there were 1002 mass shootings since Sandy Hook.

http://www.vox.com/a/mass-shootings-sandy-hook

The data which they took this number from actually only states 141 Verified Mass shootings, what's also interesting is that this data verifies 733 incidents of self defence. (since usually the discussion is Mass shootings vs. Self defence, i thought i'd add this). What's sad about the info is that it doesn't list the deaths/injuries per incident type, making it a bit unreliable.

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

My thoughts: People always make it about self defence why you should be able to keep your guns, but I would say the more important reason is to protect yourself from tyrannical governements! That's why i would be against the banning of guns and this is why you should too!

I wholeheartedly agree, that it's too easy to get a gun in America whithout anyone knowing it was you who bought it. I do believe that if someone buys a gun they should be accountable, every gun and pack of bullets should be registered.

Statistics: Posted by wasdf — 17 Jun 2016, 11:39

Re: Orlando

2016-06-17T08:53:02+02:00

Morax wrote:
Explain Switzerland to me, then...

Funny, because I was going to mention swiss style gun rights in my post, but I decided not to.

Swiss style works good because it is very well monitored. Only stores with permits to sell can sell guns, and if the background check of a person checks out to have any kind of criminal past no gun will be sold. Also like Hawkei says you need to have a permit and carrying guns in the streets is forbidden, even if you use them for home defense you can risk going to jail/community service (even if attacker was armed). So basically gun use is totally off limits over there except for in the shooting club or out hunting.

Statistics: Posted by D4E_Omit — 17 Jun 2016, 08:53

Re: Orlando

2016-06-17T07:23:21+02:00

Morax wrote:
Explain Switzerland to me, then...

Switzerland has a responsible gun culture, where gun users are accredited, and military training is compulsory. Every adult in that country is a professionally trained rifleman - and their weapons remain in the appropriate place for protecting the public against military invasion. The Swiss model is a good one for showing how a 2nd amendment civilian militia should work. People don't carry guns in public. They don't keep automatic weapons - and everyone is trained in how to use them safely, and gun ownership is carefully monitored, and permits are required to buy or own weapons. The gun is not seen as a personal defence weapon - but rather is something kept for the service of the public.

The Swiss model is a heavily regulated mandatory gun training culture - where guns are used largely for recreation and military service.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 17 Jun 2016, 07:23

Re: Orlando

2016-06-16T22:45:48+02:00

Explain Switzerland to me, then...

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 16 Jun 2016, 22:45

Re: Orlando

2016-06-16T22:26:56+02:00

TheKoopa wrote:
Softly wrote:I remain hopeful that someday the US will realise that selling lethal weapons to people causes these kind of lethal attacks

Like criminals care, they will obtain guns anyway.

That explains why theres so many shootings in the EU. Oh wait..

If theyd just leave the guns for the shooting range, like here in the EU. And I mean indoor regulated shooting clubs, not some redneck outdoor sandflat which you can walk in and out of at any moment. This way gun fanatics can be gun fanatics and terrorists would actually have to go to hell and back to obtain a gun, surely this is less encouraging then being able to buy an AK at the thrift shop.

Statistics: Posted by D4E_Omit — 16 Jun 2016, 22:26

Re: Orlando

2016-06-16T22:21:40+02:00

briang wrote:
TheKoopa wrote:
Softly wrote:I remain hopeful that someday the US will realise that selling lethal weapons to people causes these kind of lethal attacks

Like criminals care, they will obtain guns anyway.

It is easier to monitor them when they are obtaining guns through illegal means than walking into a gun show and purchasing one with no questions asked.

Florida don't give a damn about gun laws

It would be nice if they could be removed from the USA along with other shit states that make us look bad.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 16 Jun 2016, 22:21

Re: Orlando

2016-06-16T22:20:48+02:00

Truth, Zoram. The more difficulty added the harder it is. It will still happen but at a lesser rate.

I just don't like the overly simplistic approach a lot of people take on this stance as you have the effectiveness of the FBI, CIA, etc; the NRA resisting change; loop holes; etc; etc. There is so much stuff beyond the paperwork and lobbying that happen. Who knows if the guy had used illegal licenses (fake IDs) or something that were not detectable by the gun shop owner's system?

It's just so crazy how many things are involved... I mostly blame human error, tho; not what is written in law.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 16 Jun 2016, 22:20

Re: Orlando

2016-06-16T22:19:23+02:00

TheKoopa wrote:
Softly wrote:I remain hopeful that someday the US will realise that selling lethal weapons to people causes these kind of lethal attacks

Like criminals care, they will obtain guns anyway.

It is easier to monitor them when they are obtaining guns through illegal means than walking into a gun show and purchasing one with no questions asked.

Statistics: Posted by briang — 16 Jun 2016, 22:19

Re: Orlando

2016-06-16T21:59:31+02:00

TheKoopa wrote:
Softly wrote:I remain hopeful that someday the US will realise that selling lethal weapons to people causes these kind of lethal attacks

Like criminals care, they will obtain guns anyway.

Surely more guns in circulation makes it easier ...

Statistics: Posted by Zoram — 16 Jun 2016, 21:59

Re: Orlando

2016-06-16T21:56:39+02:00

I agree, Softly. I don't understand why people are so fascinated by guns. I'm on a paintball team and even seeing a barrel aim a little too close to someone without proper gear aggravates the living hell out of me.

Guns are fun to shoot and all but I just don't get the motivation to make it a #1 hobby...

However, please don't classify "Americans" as one group as it's a fairly large country where a lot of people don't support this. It irks me that Europeans treat us like one set of thinkers.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 16 Jun 2016, 21:56

Re: Orlando

2016-06-16T21:55:37+02:00

Softly wrote:
I remain hopeful that someday the US will realise that selling lethal weapons to people causes these kind of lethal attacks

Like criminals care, they will obtain guns anyway.

Statistics: Posted by TheKoopa — 16 Jun 2016, 21:55

Re: Orlando

2016-06-16T21:16:51+02:00

I remain hopeful that someday the US will realise that selling lethal weapons to people causes these kind of lethal attacks

Statistics: Posted by Softly — 16 Jun 2016, 21:16

Re: Orlando

2016-06-16T21:12:02+02:00

Morax wrote:
It's a way bigger issue than what is in the laws, my friend. It is the choice by certain agencies and groups of people to uphold them.

the illuminatis ?

Statistics: Posted by Zoram — 16 Jun 2016, 21:12