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Re: Mandatory seeding for competitive tournaments.

2018-06-17T14:14:31+02:00

Hmm I thought most tourneys already seeded, but I don't pay too much attention. Totally agree tho, unseeded tourneys can be a trainwreck and the argument that casters need even games throughout is adressed by blodir's post, tho frankly FAF should just learn to host tourneys within narrower skill band than people usually do. Much more interesting for everyone to see 2 tourneys with brackets of O1900 and U1900 for example where you have lets say 8 players in each where because of lower amount of people you can put BO3-BO5 as early as semi-finals or even earlier for big tourneys. On the other hand you could have 16 player all welcome tourney where you cant afford BO3+ because its too many people and U1900 dudes will inevitably get wiped out. And without seeding that might as well be a stomp in the finals.

Statistics: Posted by Petricpwnz — 17 Jun 2018, 14:14

Re: Mandatory seeding for competitive tournaments.

2018-06-17T12:18:39+02:00

Oh well if that's all yeah this can easily be done if it is what the majority want

its imo a lot more interesting than 75% of the interesting games happening in round 1-3 on 5x5 maps.

Statistics: Posted by Turinturambar — 17 Jun 2018, 12:18

Re: Mandatory seeding for competitive tournaments.

2018-06-17T12:14:02+02:00

Oh well if that's all yeah this can easily be done if it is what the majority wants.

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Statistics: Posted by moonbearonmeth — 17 Jun 2018, 12:14

Re: Mandatory seeding for competitive tournaments.

2018-06-17T12:01:22+02:00

moonbearonmeth wrote:
Blodir wrote:There is not much effort involved for the TD. Challonge has a seeding system. All you have to do is assign higher seeds to higher rated players.

While Challonge has a seeding system after checking I see no way to assign values to players in an effort to make the opening matches in the way you describe.
If I am missing something then I encourage you to tell us.

You can move the players around on the 'participants' tab. Click and drag

You can also drag and drop on the tournament bracket if you're admin

Link to test tourny: https://challonge.com/oovjybl5

Statistics: Posted by Blodir — 17 Jun 2018, 12:01

Re: Mandatory seeding for competitive tournaments.

2018-06-17T11:57:13+02:00

arkitect wrote:
from a casters point of view some kind of seeding and evening out the skill gaps would also help if we could not having so many one-sided matches early on. often with 8 matches in round 1 there is maybe 1-2 that wont be stomps

Seeding matches the highest rank vs the lowest rank. However some mid-tier matches are evenly matched. Let's say it's an 8 player tourny

1 vs 8
4 vs 5

3 vs 6
2 vs 7

4 vs 5 should be optimal balance, while 3 vs 6 is not too imbalanced either.

Having balanced matches early on is not the point of seeding however. The point is to ensure that the best players meet at the finals, not in round 1. This ensures that the top3 is as representative of tournament performance as possible.

Statistics: Posted by Blodir — 17 Jun 2018, 11:57

Re: Mandatory seeding for competitive tournaments.

2018-06-17T11:52:20+02:00

Blodir wrote:
There is not much effort involved for the TD. Challonge has a seeding system. All you have to do is assign higher seeds to higher rated players.

While Challonge has a seeding system after checking I see no way to assign values to players in an effort to make the opening matches in the way you describe.
If I am missing something then I encourage you to tell us.

Statistics: Posted by moonbearonmeth — 17 Jun 2018, 11:52

Re: Mandatory seeding for competitive tournaments.

2018-06-17T11:56:32+02:00

from a casters point of view some kind of seeding and evening out the skill gaps would also help if we could not have so many one-sided matches early on. often with 8 matches in round 1 there is maybe 1-2 that wont be stomps

Statistics: Posted by arkitect — 17 Jun 2018, 11:49

Re: Mandatory seeding for competitive tournaments.

2018-06-17T10:36:31+02:00

There is not much effort involved for the TD. Challonge has a seeding system. All you have to do is assign higher seeds to higher rated players.

1. Farms
2. Xerxes
3. Anihilnine
4. moonbear

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First round will look like
1 Farms vs 4 moonbear
2 Xerxes vs 3 Anihilnine

Statistics: Posted by Blodir — 17 Jun 2018, 10:36

Re: Mandatory seeding for competitive tournaments.

2018-06-17T09:36:49+02:00

While it could be done that for 'professional' tournaments the TD meticulously crafts a bracket I would argue it also puts participants under the obligation that they:
1. Don't sign up 3 seconds before the tournament starts
2. Actually show up for tournaments they do sign up for
3. Actually play the matches they sign up for

Statistics: Posted by moonbearonmeth — 17 Jun 2018, 09:36

Re: Mandatory seeding for competitive tournaments.

2018-06-17T04:05:54+02:00

The point he's trying to make is that currently you can end up in the top 3 because of luck. A good example i remember is one of the LoTS qualifiers where, by pure chance, almost all of the top ladder players got placed in the lower part of the bracket. To get in the finals Adjux had to face mephi, blast_chilled, turin and petric (3 of the top ladder players and 1 semi top). Meanwhile Nexus had to face armaster, yudi, morax and bravo (1 good ladder player and 3 players that dont belong anywhere near the top). I'm not saying nexus didn't deserve the place in the finals or that he otherwise wouldn't have gotten there, but the easy bracket surely helped him get there, and if any of the other players from the lower part of the bracket would've been in his place instead their chances of reaching the finals would've greatly increased.

Statistics: Posted by Farmsletje — 17 Jun 2018, 04:05

Re: Mandatory seeding for competitive tournaments.

2018-06-17T03:37:50+02:00

"the initial match ups should then be determined from these seeding's to ensure the most skilled players progress as far as possible in the tournament"

how would a td decide which match ups to make?

i am wondering if this is a joke post. surely a tournament should be based on how the player performs in the tournament

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 17 Jun 2018, 03:37

Re: Mandatory seeding for competitive tournaments.

2018-06-16T19:04:11+02:00

This should be an enforced rule for all TDs

Statistics: Posted by Blodir — 16 Jun 2018, 19:04

Mandatory seeding for competitive tournaments.

2018-06-16T18:56:45+02:00

I think going forward in competitive tournaments, there should be an implementation of seeding which is based off of the players highest rating, which gives them a seeded ranking in that tournament, the initial match ups should then be determined from these seeding's to ensure the most skilled players progress as far as possible in the tournament. Less skilled players progressing further based on complete and utter luck or just sheer stupid decision making seriously seriously seriously angers me and i'm sure I am not the only player left feeling like this due to the current organization of competitive tournaments.

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Statistics: Posted by GodKngXerxesNoob — 16 Jun 2018, 18:56